Diablo IV - Skill Trees & Talents - Feedback

[Starship688-1109]

One of the things I loved most about Diablo 2 was the ability to specialise in a certain weapon type or element within the skill tree.

For example, if you wanted to be a Javelin or a Bow Amazon, you had completely different skills which you would take for both. Within that you could also specialise in certain skill and ability types.

I loved getting an amazing drop that was perfect for a certain specialisation or build and building up that character.

From what I can see in D4, there is limited skill choice and there is a small talent tree that looks like 1/4 of the skill tree which Diablo 2 included for each class. There are also no weapon-specific abilities. This was one of the best things about Diablo 2, you had lightning abilities that only worked for javelin, or split arrow abilities that only worked with a bow.

From what I remember in D3 ANY ability worked with ANY weapon. Which took away from the “omfg im going to make a cold orb sorc” when you got that +100% cold elemental damage drop or the “omg ima bake a bowzon” when you got that awesome bow drop. Every weapon type could pretty much do everything and magic wasnt split into elements so very little specialisation and differentiation from an item which kicked a** for a cold orb sorc and a fireball sorc in that sense.

I’m not looking for an exact copy or paste, but I loved that in Diablo 2 you had close to 100 skill points, 3 distinct skill trees for each class and a bunch of choices to make.

I really feel like Diablo 3’s skill system was boring and simple. And Diablo 4’s system looks pretty similar. I don’t know if the D3 system has changed since launch but I’d be curious to know others thoughts.

From what I saw in the demo, the sorc used all 3 elements intermixed, there was absolutely no specialisation or distinction between a cold/fire and light sorc. Ideally I’d like there to be a cold/fire/light sorc and an option to be a hybrid (usually in d2 you would go all into an element and put a few points in fireball or another tree to handle any elemental immunes).

The 3 distinctive skill trees were a huge factor in what I liked about D2 character customisation, and I would love a similar system in D4. Open to suggestions

I like the idea of: If Im going to have a great fireball, Im not also going to have a killer frozen orb, or lightning. My choices are synergistic and bound to certain paths, there are certain specialisations in each class and its not simply a one-in-four choice of which skill do I want to fill each slot. Its way too simple as is.

[Starship688-1109]

You could offer preset skill skeletons built by the devs, so some ultra casual newb could just click on a preset build and have the points auto-allocated to something they know will be good if they wanted to and not have to think about it. I understand its an issue for casuals but the lack of multiple deep and varied skill trees within each class destroys the long term appeal of the game for me.

[Jaros-21723]

@Starship688-1109

From what I can see in D4, there is limited skill choice and there is a small talent tree that looks like 1/4 of the skill tree which Diablo 2 included for each class. There are also no weapon-specific abilities. This was one of the best things about Diablo 2, you had lightning abilities that only worked for javelin, or split arrow abilities that only worked with a bow.

Yes, at the moment skills look very boring and limited hopefully it’s bound to change with time, too early for now.

Hopefully it’s gonna be bigger and resemble skill trees of D2 more at least in my opinion. Currently it looks D3’ish? Like tier 1 spells, tier 2, t3 bla bla with the difference that you put points in it.

I’d like the druid for example to say have an elemental branch that divides into storm, earth/nature, wind and so on. Feral - bear, wolf together with at least several form specific attack skills. Summoner - like spirits, animals, maybe something else?

It would truly allow us a customizable skill tree (of course if there’s more than 2 skills per tree).

[JimCornette-1398]

@Starship688-1109

One of the things I loved most about Diablo 2

Well good for you, but this is D4, not D2 remaster.

Those who want D4 to be a D2 replica - Go play D2

Noone’s stopping ya. Ya’ll like to keep saying “oooh D2 has more players, D2 is so much better and still plays fantastic in 2019”. So if it’s so good…go play it. Simple as that. Unless it’s NOT as good as you’re desperate to convince everyone. It is, after all, an excruciatingly dated product with systems and ideas that just don’t fly in 2019. Well that’s your problem, not ours. Noone cares what you played 20 years ago. What matters is what works today. D4 has to pave its own path independent…

So spare us your “what I want back from D2” spiel because it doesn’t matter.

[Ivos-2495]

I really hope the expand the variety of active skills and the talents, because right now they look very limited. If they return the classical form of skill trees will be good too. My point is that the current specialisation form is very limited. Let’s hope they will expand it and add a little bit more depth in it.
Also I think there must be a option for respec, but at a high cost of materials or something