Diablo Clone incentivizes bots/duping

What about if he spawned randomly during certain times of the day, week or month? So you could somewhat plan for it and no one would have to sell anything rare to spawn him.

Diablo Clone fridays!

that would merely be an event.
Which in itself isn’t bad.
but it does make it so you don’t have to do anything to get it but just wait. (and also be wary of timezone)
in a farming game i’am not sure about that.
i’d prefer simply selling a soj has 50-100% chance to spawn him , so you actually have to farm for it.
making an event out of it would make it so everyone would get an anni without having to play the game (except kill diablo clone when he arrives) and make it very common despite how OP this charm is.

it would still be better in my opinion than the 75-100 soj based on I.P thing, but i’am concerned about how easy anni would be to get :confused:
i think in a farming game you have to farm to get something and actually selling a pretty OP and hard to get ring in order to get a “ticket to fight diablo” is a nice idea in itself.

but of course that’s merely my opinion.

Wait you think they should basically add the 1 SOJ for Dclone from Single Player and also use it to summon him in private games on bnet?

I’m good with this too, as you’d have to put in the work to earn/trade for the SOJ.

The old D2 system was more luck-based, which I didn’t like at all. Eventually, I learned how to map/plan clone spawn, which was rewarding but felt like cheating.

All I’m saying is - make me work for it, but make that work rewarding. It seems to me that playing a character for a couple hundred hours, at a high enough level, there should be a “reasonable” chance for me to witness the event, no matter how many #$(*&% SOJs sold…

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I wouldn’t mind them changing it, though to be fair, the entire reward structure of the game gives an incentive to bot and dupe with or without Dclone. The only counter force to that at all is the deterrent of potentially being banned and losing your account. That’s a strong enough reason for most people to not bot for themselves, but will never deter the people botting on multiple accounts for profit.

While i disagree with the OP and i wouldnt mind Annihilus being more rare than it is now. Why not flip the entire system?

Increase SoJ requirements for DClone to something alot higher like 500-1000 (up for debate). Instead of having to sell SoJs to the vendor, you have to buy them from the vendor.
This would incentivice gambling and would not be possible by a small number of players to begin with. It would basically take a community effort to spawn DClone.
Not the effort of some super-rich SoJ traders/dupers.

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Forgive me ignorance. I’ve not played with this “New and Improved Battle Net ™” much. Gave up on D3 the first couple of months after launch. But, I’ve read that Blizz states they can stop much of this botting/duping with it. Is that true? Is botting/duping a problem on D3/WOW, etc?

Thanks.

Botting is existing in both. Not sure how the effect is in WoW.
In D3 it does not affect the ordinary player much. It does however affect the leader boards.
The reason for this is because D3 does basically not have any trading. So bots can only influence their own items and exp and therefore their own Greater Rift clearance.

I am not aware of any duping in D3 nor would i assume it to be worthwhile. the itemization is simply not worth it. Also you do not need to own items multiple times with very minor exceptions.

When it comes to D2R there have already been some duping glitches during beta. So it has definitely not been completely prevented yet.

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Really??? That is quite disappointing!

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At this point pretty much, would be clearer than anything related to ip where even if you farm your soj(s) you can possibly sell them for nothing, not even a single percent of spawning him, or that he would spawn when you would be offline despite you having sold that soj for it a few hours ago.
And you would farm for it by farming for soj.

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While I would agree that a straight port of the system would incentivize botting/rmt, I think we should wait until all communications come out before raising pitchforks to see if this is still going to be IP based. When the ladder news first dropped, PezRadar gave small tidbits of info in a drip; ladder not on launch, ladder runewords in SP then radio silence until the blog.

Here, PezRadar did the same thing, just said the amount would be the same, without stating how the system exactly accounted for it. With modern bnet logging capabilities, they will be able to see a ratio for SOJ drop to player ratio, and tune the number to be within a range of how often they should expect Dclone to walk. I would have rather had a random spawn timer myself, but I think that they want to keep the community aspect of it alive, even if the prize is mostly a solo thing.

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Hopefully just a side-effect of the beta version not having anti-dupe measures enabled.
But if that was already the “final version” regarding dupe prevention, then we have some dark times ahead of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekl9LHNAHxE

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I feel like this would cause the opposite problem unless they could GUARANTEE no dupes. Dclone would be getting spawned every few seconds 24/7 in a duping environment, even a small one. The percent would have to be really low if dupes existed and then we are back to square 1. We need an entirely new system for Dclone.

Well shoot.

At least it was caught early. It will be fixed before the release.

One would hope…

Thing is, if there’s a dupe method for soj said dupe method would work for Anni as well.
It worked for og d2 because Anni appeared after they fixed the duping method. But for d2r if there’s any kind of dupe method, Anni will be as much duped as soj pretty much.
Which would make the system itself not really useful in the first place in d2r’s case.

That’s my opinion though. Might be wrong but I doubt a dupping method would work only for soj specifically so there’s no real protection for Anni’s in the first place.

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ooof good point. God i really hope they crack down on bots and dupes. or AT LEAST the dupes ffs. The rarest items in the game becoming so common place they are worth almost nothing definitely messes with the online experience in a negative way.

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I have to tell ya, all this talk about botting and duping is depressing me. I’d really hoped that this would be a minor problem at the most. Now, I’m starting to get a bit nervous.

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well were all just super bored and spit balling man, so don’t get too down. You can’t take ANYTHING in these forums seriously. Or any forum. Its mostly filled with misery. Esp now as everyone is going crazy waiting for launch in…

1 Week 4 Days 18 Hours 4 minutes

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The duping method showed above was merely a duping method for alpha offline only , was reported several time. Was merely for offline mod and is most likely already fixed if that can reassure you.

Personally i’ll be playing Self loof to avoid having to care about all that (i won’t be trading , ever) , but it would still sadden me to see dupes / bots coming so early in the game.
Hopefully things will be done to fix dupe method preemptively , or make “rollback” for account that used any kind of dupe method be it voluntarily or not.

As for bots , well it’s impossible to completely remove them, but a “report bot button” would do wonder in public game i think
But in the end we’ll see how VV / Blizzard plan to do in order to avoid dupe/bots as much as possible.

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That’s crazy man. Trading is like 80% of the online experience in D2 lol. Why not trade? just because of dupes? My “solo self found” characters will be in SP… :stuck_out_tongue:

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