Diablo 4 - Who want to hear more about PVP?

There is no good ARPG with open world PvP on the market.
They talked about PvP at last Blizzcon. I want to hear more details about it.

I hope it is core part of the game and not afterthought.

If they want to make good PvP game they need to think about everything from PvP perspective from day one.

Sooner we hear details about it the better.

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I do not care about PvP, Diablo should be about killing demons, not each other. I understand that some of the kids want it, so as long as it is in well defined zones, and does not interfere with my game, I do not care what they do with PvP.

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PoE tried PVP last few years ago, failed to gain traction from the player base, abandoned PVP, and now focusing 100% on PVM contents.

If D4 insists to have PVP, I guess having PVP exclusive gear is the best and easier to balance. For example, A character without PVP gear, will always deal 1 damage on other players in the PVP field and will receive 100X damage from those who have PVP gear.

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Diablo 2’s end-game was PvP for me. I didn’t run ubers and rarely leveled past 90. So PvP as a pillar to Diablo 4 would be something I strongly encourage.

Maybe even one step further-- have certain monsters, or MF runs if you will, that drop PvP exclusive gear. Maybe this type of gear would have a resilience stat. I dunno… Just thinking out loud.

Oh, and I would LOVE to hear more about PvP!!:slight_smile:

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The only things I care about PvP are the following:

  • It has 0% impact on PvE.
  • It’s not required to progress.
  • It has its own dedicated zones.
  • It can’t be forced on anyone by anyone.
  • Nothing meaningful (like some specialty gear) is gated behind it.
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As someone who wants and enjoys pvp, I agree with this.

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Yeah, it’s not like myself or anyone else is utterly against having PvP. It just depends on how it’s implemented. There’s nothing wrong in principle for having a working PvP for those who like it. D3 failed in this department so D4 could fix this thing.

However if what Kilometer said about PoE and its PvP is true, that is somewhat telling. Can PvP in D4 gain enough popularity? How much resources is it worth to pour into it?

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It was not advertised as PvP game from the beginning.

Also, there is a reason why most popular games in the world are PvP games.

The only reason I still play Diablo 3 from time to time is to compete vs others on Leaderboards. There are way better ways to compete vs other players in Diablo universe.

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Maybe if Blizzard decides to balance PvP around 1v1 for a change (instead of focusing on team-play and class roles always), that might serve as a good foundation, and benefit team PvP by default (as you can expect the occasional duel anyway), and we’ll see what is the bigger misfit for this legendary series (between PvP, and endless searching for parts).

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I would like to hear more about PvP, but imo

  • Talents
  • Itemization
  • and Active Skills

… are more important, at least for me.

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Hopefully in a few hours we will have this one. :evergreen_tree: :evergreen_tree: :evergreen_tree:

4thQ blog for this one.

And lots to talk about in February.

But when they tell you about this you want to know if you are goging to use it in PVE, PVP or both.

Something can seem awesome for PvE and really not good for PVP.

Taken from PoE forum and PoE Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7mci3w/current_state_of_pvp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/3snwli/is_pvp_ever_going_to_return_in_poe_why_was_it/

A vocal minority was asking for pvp. GGG spent resources doing exactly that but ultimately the majority of the community ignored that content. Why would they do the same mistake again spending anything on pvp?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5elqcp/is_this_games_pvp_right_for_me/

The short answer is no. They made a sincere effort to make PvP good, with ladders, tourneys, and a PvP-specific balance overhaul, but it fell flat because of your “what I hate” bullet point. They eventually gave up and said that they don’t believe there’s a market for Diablo 2-style PvP anymore, and that the fully-developed version of the RPG “vs. mode” is the MOBA now.

If Poe fans themselves agreed that PoE PVP is dead, who are we to disagree with them?

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Good that is the way it should be.

Don’t really care. Spend the time, money and resources on the larger aspects of the game.

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If there is no PvP I don’t really care also. But since they said there is, just lets us know more about it.

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You might just get your wish at the online event in February.

They did not mention it as part of the next 2 updates.

That is exactly why I ask for some updates/blogs on PvP. Ask now, and hope to get some info in 6 months or so.

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I can’t say anything regarding Path of Exile as I never played that game (at best I’ve seen comparison images and videos on it and such). However I do know that even now there are people in Diablo 2 that still pvp; about a few months ago there were about 4 pvp rooms up in the Diablo 2 europe non-ladder lobby. So there’s still merits to attempting to have pvp in Diablo 4.

That said, I don’t want the pve aspects of the game to suffer due to pvp.

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I do not want to spend anytime fighting off dweebs who think that is is fun to go hostile on others. Keep it in a defined zone for the players who want it. Don’t force it on others.

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I am ready for that.

Sure, but still if I had to choose a blog that is either about PvP or Itemization, I definitely would choose the Itemization Blog.

How did PvP work in PoE?

Was it a separate gamemode where skills and items work differently than in PvE and the numbers were adjusted to the PvP Mode like it worked with D3’s PvP Arenas?

Because if not, it must have been a balancing nightmare.

I would totally have loved it if they have put the PvP Arenas in D3, even if they were not totally balanced. Well, in a way the PvP Arenas are in D3 as Bounty Grounds, aka The Red Portals that you can find during Bounties, but there is no PvP in there.

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