The only way you do GRifts in a reasonable time is by doing that. It is simply how the game is meant to be played.
Even if you clear slower, the gameplay is the same.
There is a lot of space between SC and HC death penalty in D3.
No need to leave others out of anything. I bet a more meaningful death penalty would make the game better overall.
But yes, obviously it is my opinion. Like it might be your opinion that it should not be like this.
Indeed.
Death can be made to matter without wiping out your character.
Death is mattered for me even in the SC. Dying too much in GR may end up a failed GR run. Dying at low GR means that I will lose extra 1 gem upgrade, which is not good if I am planning to upgrade the gems for the caldesann despair.
Only those who didn’t play D3 will think that death doesn’t matter in SC because they don’t play or care about the game at all. They came here to sabotage or playing devil’s advocate for lulz.
That is not a significant loss tbh.
I agree. “Endgame” in D2 really included so many things. It wasn’t just “Do this dungeon endlessly until you get bored”
It’s fine if half of that list goes out the window. 'Cause half of it is rhetorical BS anyway and the few things that ARE actually good we’ll expect in D4 anyway. Like crafting
Diablo 3’s endgame is running season grifts with ever-increasing damage and health pools from enemies. There’s nothing to do in Diablo 3. They’ve stripped it. The point being Diablo II’s longevity comes from a plethora of completely different things. OP is 100% correct. If devs don’t allow players freedom and instead try to force us to play a certain way again, it’ll die just as quick.
agree, devs underestimate the importance of trade and player freedom in relation to a game’s longevity. i get that some people want to get loot from monsters and only from monsters, but diablo 2 showed us how vast a game can be when you allow an economy and unlimited player interaction. playtime skyrockets. the game almost feels like it includes many versions of itself. removing trading feels like they’ve neutered the damn thing.
Yes it holds, and i’ll try to explain to you how it holds.
If you want to make Diablo game without open trade then you are forced to add alot of stuff to replace that element of arpg game, and we saw how all of that stuff that was added in D3 to make up for lost of open trade made game much diffrent from what it should be. It all started to go downhill after AH and open trade was removed, that was the point from which all started falling apart. Those are facts, if you follow timeline of Diablo games from D1 to D3 no mather on which side are you, you will have to face that breakpoint when AH and open trading was removed.
Why?
Seems to me that nothing of value is lost by getting rid of trading. Thus no need to replace it with anything.
Which stuff would that be?
Why? That seems to you like that but it didn’t seemed like that for Blizzard since they added alot of things, ok since you don’t know some basic history of D3 ill tell you, they added, mystic, infinite paragon, rifts, cube, grifts, mass goblin spawns, then ancients items, then perfect ancients items and probably i missed something, and all of that because game was weak without trading, and they were trying to make up for loss of trading but they couldn’t do it.
I know what they added. But you seem to be claiming they added all that because trading was removed. Which seems dubious.
If you know why did u asked me? And yes all of that because trading was removed, i edited my last comment. If you have anymore things to ask go back to my first comment there i explaned everything, just do some research and follow the D1 to D3 timeline.
BS.
You didn’t answer this, which is the important part. You have no basis that Blizz added them because of removal of trading. With ancient and primal, you can make a case. Others, you simply can’t. But even with ancient, primal argument, you can simply say to reduce the drop rate to a moderate level, not as low as D2 but not as high as D3 either, which some people have been already saying.
It’s quite silly to think everything that was added was because trading is gone. Other games have some similar systems - IE PoE has maps and numerous ways to alter your gear, Grim Dawn now has an endless dungeon like GRs and an additional Crucible - and those games HAVE trading. If your argument is that everything you listed in D3 was added because trading was gone, then the opposite should be true - the other games wouldn’t want those systems because they have trading.
Yet that’s not how it’s working. So it would seem that your premise is kinda flawed.
Besides, even if that WERE true… I think I would take all that instead of trading.
Heck, even if we played with the idea that those things were added because of trading, it would only underscore how good it was to get rid of trading. Both the mystic, the cube, grifts, and mass goblins made D3 better.
They might not have made D3 great of course, that is a difficult task. But at least improvements over what was before.
We are not talking here about other games, this is topic about Diablo trading, if you want to compare something then compare Diablo game today with Diablo game 20 or 10 years ago, and thats what i have done and showed you timeline rise and fall and point of fall for Diablo francise. We are talking about trading here and D1 and D2 and early D3 had trading, but those didn’t had all those things that D3 (without trading) have now, i cant talk about other games since i don’t know those games inuf, i played poe for couple of months years ago and i don’t rememmber that is was even close to D3 today, and i didnt play Grim Dawn, and mentioning them is not needed since we have examples to see, and those games probably took alot examples from Diablo 3 system but as they have trading they saw how trading is important and they keep it. Don’t compare Diablo with other games today, compare it with what kind of game Diablo was in past, and we have many facts that Diablo 3 was more popular when it had trading and that D1 and D2 were much more popular games that D3 is today, so something went deeply wrong. And many know what went wrong.
Even if less people played Diablo 3 after trading was removed (which I doubt we can conclude), Diablo 3 without trading was still better than it was with trading.
Thats your personal opinion, and thats ok. But if we look things objectivly, not many players think like that.
Do some research, make topic about how trading is bad for Diablo game, see how much upvotes you get, listen to people, check other upvotes on opposite trading thoughts, check YouTube comments on D4, check other forums, and after that if you are honest we can have this discussion.
You seem to forget that positive community uproar when D3 devs removed AH.