Diablo 4 must not have trading

No, it does not. You failing to grasp the concept doesn’t mean it dumbs down the game.

You ignoring the context of half my posts doesn’t mean it doesn’t.

Where you think it’s context, it actually isn’t.

What I’d advise you guys (those objecting) is the following - hire some person with enough Math knowledge and present him the D3/D4 Math. Then ask him whether the same result could be achieved with basic numbers and subtraction/addiction. I already know the answer.

The reason the Math in D4 is not simplified that way isn’t because it’s impossible LOL, it’s because it gets harder for them to balance the game and that is a follow-up of them using archaic ways for balancing.

So, it’s one big domino effect of an outdated game. At least I hope they add alternative Math presentation options to kind of look a bit more modern and not like the picture Shadout attached.

Plenty of people here with lots of math knowledge that think you’re delusional.

Or just trolling.

Or both.

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Which is basically D2 and D3. You also need to know what % means, and multiplication sure will make things a bit easier too. Still very much in the category of basic math from early primary school.

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The moment an aRPG requires from a player a calculator is the moment this isn’t an Action RPG anymore, but a Math RPG.

Math RPGs are for those players that prefer turn based combat or botting. Many D2 players for example prefer to bot instead of play by themselves doing only farming route optimization.

For Action RPGs however is unacceptable the player to lose time with calculators instead of enjoying great real-time combat hunting for precious item drops.

If you still can’t understand why Lost Ark tops any other aRPG out there - it’s because the player is 100% IN THE ACTION. You don’t lose time with idiotic calculations, but you still can theorycraft due to LA’s incredible take on super simplified Math engraving system.

Good thing no Diablo game ever required a calculator.

He’s obviously troling.

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To be fair, turn based combat is better than whatever Lost Ark is doing.

Yeah, clearly.
Lost Ark is suddenly an A-RPG. And apparently has itemization depth. :partying_face:

You wont get particularly far with engravings if all you know is addition and subtraction.
Luckily for you, there are guides for them.

Maxroll does have it though. Its called d3planner. There are different types of dmg like multi and additive. Also gems behave different and there are certain breakpoints for several skills. Its quiet common that ppl use the d3planner to optimize their build especially when u playing in groups as some skills doesnt add as much when stacked with other skills.

Obv casuals doesnt care much about it. But i would say ppl who push or wants to optimize does use it.

Breakpoints, and whether affixes affect things additively or multiplicatively are great examples of underexplained stuff in D3. Those things should be described in-game. Sure makes it harder to make qualified decisions without such information.
They dont exactly require complex math however.

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Depends on what ppl consider as complex math. It requires more than addition and subtraction. Some ppl consider more than that as complex math. It require several calculations and there are plenty of variables with diminishing returns. Most ppl would use a calculator or d3planner for it. 5% aspd might not be better than 7% aspd. Obv u dont need to be a genius to calculate it but alot of avrg ppl struggle with it. If it was rly simple ppl wouldnt use d3planner.

Compare that to d2 where u know +3 skill is better than +1 skill. Or 50 AR is better than 25AR. Its obvious for the avrg person.

Kinda been my point. None of it is required to enjoy the game ealwcially this mythical casual audience who cannot do “complex maths” that isn’t really in the game. At the most difficult it requires you to understand how to multiply/divide percentages, which is like 5th grade math.

Yeah agreed the problem here is not that the math is more complex like integrals, but that the game play mechanics that can have a very big influence on the game are not well explained and somewhat hidden even if a player is somewhat interested in them.

To be fair that is also a bit a D2 problem, it is not for nothing D2R devs decided to show a bit more info.

U kid can enjoy a stick aswell. So sure that is true. Its not a requirement.

A 5th grader doesnt have to count that many variables. Plenty of ppl struggle with the calculation and asking in chat which item is the better one. Again some ppl find it complex others dont. Plenty of ppl use a calculator or d3planner to determine which item is the better one. Even wudi etc does that.

Shad, mate, if I want to use a calculator daily I’d get an accountant job, I won’t play what you consider an A-RPG.

Real Action RPGs like Lost Ark and Hades put in the center the great combat attracting those people that are there for the constant action. Those that prefer to bot instead of play already have D2, but for the others that want good gameplay an accountant job isn’t attractive, they simply want a proper Action RPG with great combat and addictive loot hunt.

I dunno what’s so hard to understand here, it’s like we are typing in Chinese.

Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division. Those are basic math.

The reason D3planner is useful is not for the math, but for the obscure rules. Which is what the breakpoints, the additive vs. multiplicative etc. rules are, they are not math based, they are the information needed before you can make any calculation.
Much of the stuff that D3planner does is exactly what should be shown in-game in the skill tooltips in any case. Would be way more useful than the current DPS value.

D2 has similar breakpoints.
+all skills in D2 is more similar to +mainstat in D3.

Indeed. A lack of information rather than any kind of complexity.

No, no, no, don’t hide information - who said that above?

Sounds like you shouldn’t, so probably a good decision.

It is pretty obvious you have no idea what A-RPGs are. Nor what Lost Ark is. Nor what Hades is.

Do you have reading comprehensions issues along with your math issues? Should D4 get rid of words and letters too now?
I said show MORE DPS values, instead of just one aggregated one that is basically misleading.

Dude, you need to play more instead of writing nonsense on forums. The whole purpose of 3rd party tools is players to be optimal. Everyone wants a single result at the end, not your linked screenshot with outdated design.