“Off base”. You would know, your argument is the entire definition.
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I have a feeling a lot of people haven’t played this game as much as they think. Or they have a faulty memory. I’ve ran thousands of mf runs a week (like many others), and been in baal games for hours on end three days a week, and during those times not seen anything drop of much worth. Then, I’ve seen multiple great drops in just a few minutes or hours. Have one Pit run with several good or great drops, then go a week or two and barely get trade fodder.
This hypothetical crap people are making up doesn’t align with the reality of how loot drops in this game, and that’s what few understand.
You’re stating an inference from a stat you didn’t even share as an argument?
D2 still has an active player base after 20 years. How many other online games from that era or earlier have more? I’d wager it’s a very, very small number though I don’t have any stats to share.
Game doesn’t need 5 million players for me to love it. There are enough players on D2 servers for me to still enjoy it 20 years later, I’m sure D2R would be just fine without major changes for the foreseeable future… definitely enough players for me to love it and that’s all that matters to me. I don’t need this to be fun for every gamer on the planet, I want it to be fun for me and I’m entitled to speak up for what I think is fun.
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Do it the other way around. Start MFing and see experience as a by-product of Mfing.
Oh don’t worry about my kids, they got the right tools to cope with real world troubles.
I strongly suspect that your true motivation here is getting real $$$ for selling pixels. That would explain all the big talk. Because you are talking ego stuff, you don’t give a damn about the fact that without new players this game will be dead on arrival.
You kids don’t think beyond the limits of your personal habits. Just because you played D2 for a few years and got a certain approach to it, doesn’t mean you have any clue about making this game last.
I could probably outclick you in any public game with my current gear, but that doesn’t mean I want to enforce FFA for all. How hard is this simple concept to understand? There are MANY more thousands of potential players who COULD add to the longevity of this game IF they don’t get strongly discouraged by archaic and aggressive competitive mechanics such as FFA, PK, etc. At times I feel you kids are behaving like old people, unable to adapt, unable to see the world changing, unable to think outside of a small box of pixels…
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You put quotation marks around a statement that was nowhere close to what I said. You’re trying to paint my position as one that’s easier to argue against.
I wasn’t “basically” saying that, not even a little bit.
In fact, I care so much about the player D2 player base that I want it to remain intact. I don’t want the player base drowned out by players who prefer systems that are in direct contrast to the ones built for this game.
You have a weird definition for a “dead game” though. If one of the most revered and iconic games of all time, widely considered the best ever in its genre even 20 years later and still has an active and passionate player base to this very day is a “dead game” to you then yes, sounds like the type of dead game I want to play with new shiny graphics and classic systems & rules.
I want my D2 to remain competitive and to achieve that, I feel systems designed to be unforgiving and ultra competitive need to remain intact.
I still don’t understand the logic of preordering a remastered game, but then want a ton of changes and additions to the game.
I preordered expecting a remastered version of the original game with enhanced graphics, improved multiplayer functionality and MINOR quality of life changes… not what some mod or some other game has.
If you don’t like the game for what it was as a whole, you shouldn’t have preordered. That is my opinion.
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Such a point is difficult, 'cause I could say the same the other way around.
D2 has more frustrating mechanics compared to most modern games. But why is it a problem to adept to those things if someone likes this game? Why can’t there be any obstacles?
Be it FFA pick-up loot or PKs in public games. IMO it’s a good thing the game does NOT solve these things for you. You have to find an appropiate solution yourself.
Modern games provide exactly zero of these things. That’s why D2:R has to keep them. Simple to understand, right? People who like this design will play this game, people who don’t like it can just play something else, since there are more than enough games which work like they want.
I think Blizzard has a pretty good idea how many players to expect and if D2:R is worth it or not. If the game would be dead on arrival, they wouldn’t do it. Same as with WoW:Classic.
Dude i checked your profile on recent activity. Why you have to be so toxic with everyone who disagrees with you. At least give an argument, discuss, elaborate. “Bye then?” Really?Whatever bro…
I never said change core mechanics, just some small QoL, this will not affect you. You, as purits, will be happy!
because providing a counter balance for the masses of people that are trying to change this game close to the finish line is exhausting and most posts dont deserve more than a “bye” at this point.
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This is a fair point, and I want to give credit where credit is due, but it’s also important to remember that these modern games have much healthier playerbases. Path of Exile is the one that always comes up as the spiritual successor to D2 and as the “haven from D3” but even it has felt it wise to include some modern game design lessons.
It’s also pretty prudent to point out here that WoW Classic was met with TONS of purists (#NoChanges) just like D2R is getting, and ultimately it gave way to some more modern principles, because the design decisions that were made 15+ years ago aren’t necessarily the right ones. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt back then, times change.
I understand people’s attachment to the game as it is. No matter how badly people want to make me out to be some entitled jerk that just wants to change things to ruin “their” game, the simple reality is that a cult following doesn’t keep a game alive.
I took the time to reinstall D2:LoD and log in to Battle.net because I was going to get numbers for you. It turns out that we don’t get the nice little “There are currently X players in Y games.” message anymore. What I DID learn was that to even get logged in to Battle.net, I had to install the game to 1.14b, then connect to Asia (because USEast and USWest wouldn’t send me the patch and just gave “Unable to verify version”) and install it that way, because the Blizzard websites don’t even have the patches available for download anywhere anymore.
I used to think this way. But not anymore. D2 was the best aRPG before PoE and Grim Dawn evolved to match and surpass it in many aspects. It will take more than just a graphics overhaul to even hope to sway some of the ex D2 veterans who moved to other games to consider coming back. If you are hoping that ALL D2 players of old would come back, - I don’t think you’re going to get that ever. Most of the people I used to play D2 original for many thousands of hours, have moved on.
PoE is now widely more popular than D2 + D3 combined. Grim Dawn would be a lot more popular than ALL of them combined if they had a virtual economy system of any kind. With hundreds of powerful legendary sets, 44 classes, complex skill and devotion trees, loot ranging from rare to ultra rare, to insanely rare and bosses to super bosses, to secret mega bosses to gods, crucible and shattered realms for infinite endgame pushing, - it’s a wet aRPG dream minus the economy.
So you are saying that by refreshing D2 graphics, removing TCP/IP, modding, and offering Zero quality of life, you are seriously hoping to preserve something that doesn’t even exist anymore?
I’m going to take a few screenshots of this discussion and come back a few months down the road to see how you are all liking the new bot paradise and how you are asking devs to do something about it.
From now on, I’ll just observe. Hope I’m wrong though, as am very passionate about D2, it used to be my all time fav game.
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Hahaha, this is why I started just making dumb troll comments 
People actually think they are having discussions and it’s hilarious.
I expect D2R being on the horizon is essentially the death knell for the former version, you wouldn’t get an accurate number due to bots and people just waiting for D2R at this point.
Fact remains, the game is still loved and Blizzard knows it… we wouldn’t be getting a remaster otherwise. What makes it loved is different for everyone and every opinion is valid, we don’t have to crap on other people’s opinions to make ours more valid.
We clearly are both wanting this game to succeed so we’re on the same side of that discussion!
Again, I wasn’t saying that. I think removing TCP/IP & modding was bad. I think they did offer some QoL improvements, definitely more than “zero.”
I actually want change in this game. I’d love to see new patches, balancing skills, new items & runewords, even maybe a new act (which would scare me but would have the potential to be amazing!)
I just don’t want all changes that people are proposing. For example, of the common ones, I do not want ploot or charm inventories but I would like rune/gem stacking or new content. I like what I like.
The part that really sucks, and the real motivation for my whole post in the first place, is that most people aren’t actually willing to have these discussions about “purity” vs “modern”. You’re in the minority, and I have very deep concerns about the long term result of a very vocal set of naysayers and gatekeepers.
Not all of the suggestions are good ones, but I think that most of them can be implemented in ways that don’t impact the “purists” overall and those are the ones that should be looked into. But it’s hard to discuss those possibilities when any thread that brings them up is met just like mine has been, with little more than dismissive, vile, hateful trolls.
And just to clarify, this doesn’t include you. You’ve offered well thought points that while I may disagree, I can give further thought to. But out of (currently 76) responses, you and one other person are the only ones to offer this kind of discussion, with every other dissenting “opinion” just being vitriol.
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All changes youre asking for have already been made in D3.
Why are you trying to invalidate other peoples opinions of the upcoming Ressurected, when you can just go back playing D3 if you like these exact changes to the game?
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