Okay so, say there was no early access, and I buy the game.three weeks after you. That would give you a definite advantage, right?
You have had a ton of time to gear compared to me.
It’s the same thing. In the long run it makes no difference.
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It’s still fair because in the scenario you posit, it’s the late players fault that they’re late. Neither player has a paid advantage it’s just that player two by their own choice decided to start later. As opposed to the other scenario where someone pays more to get an advantage.
To be honest, this is why PVP in a heavily gear based game is a bad idea. You’ll always have people who start later so they are always disadvantaged. The solution is all PVP gear should be normalised otherwise the game is inherently unfair towards latecomers. As I mentioned earlier, the challenge rift gear is a good example of how it could be done.
early access to no-season/no-ladder what a day to be alive 
oh you were going for world firsts that nobody cares about? Sadge.
if youre going for world firsts youre dedicated enough to buy the expensive thing 
it’s kinda whatever tbh. i dont even remember who had the cool world firsts in d3. was it krip? athene? krip’s brother? who was it? idk.
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It’s completely true.
P2W is used in gaming with the meaning “Pay to Win,” to refer to games that allow players to purchase items or abilities (e.g., more powerful weapons, additional health points) that give them an advantage in the game, either over other players or NPCs (Non-Player Characters).
Diablo IV is not pay to win in any sense of the word.
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The whining… My goodness
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What if it wasn’t the late player’s fault/choice?
Couldn’t afford it until after a couple pay checks?
Has to rely on others to gift it, such as a bday or christmas?
Has to wait until purchasing an upgraded system to play?
…and countless other scenarios where money prohibited starting at regular launch?
P2W influences effort vs reward. When the effort is made or skipped (4 days early, launch day, ten years later) doesn’t matter in the effort vs reward ratio. In D4, no effort will be skippable, and the game will be out long enough for any player to put in the same effort as everyone else.
The leaderboard argument doesn’t work. If the positions on the ladder were fixed and unchangeable (like in a marathon), then there could be an argument about starting early. However, they are not fixed. Anyone who started early can be supplanted by someone who started late (launch day, 1 month, ten years). In other words, starting early doesn’t give any advantage on the ladder, it’s the effort that gives the advantage.
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BOOM…
While this is true of any game over time, in D4, completely true.
The only validity for a great many comments I have seen so far would be if the game had been out for at least six months to a year in its full form with at least one DLC and had a chance to settle in. I am sure people will diss that but it’s fairly close to accurate because dissing something before it has even had a chance to establish itself…welll… there’s a word for that.
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I mean, people still remember some of the D3 world firsts from back in 2012. That kind of bragging rights is part of the charm of online games.
you are 110% on spot with this comment
my self be hightwarlord in pvp also a pvp player in d2 and a old 1.10 speed runnner , 2 or 3 day of early access is so big for pvp player to take control and farm pvp zone most player will be cap level with good gear , poor new player going to pvp this is 110% pure ptw , he all know pvp player are not seasonal player ,
But it does not matter now. World first is good in that short time, than it ends quickly.
Yeah because 4 days of lags, disconects, queues, crashes and bug fiesta is enough to gear up for pvp. We don’t even know what will be a good setup for pvp. But keep on dreaming old man.
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The 1-2 people who remember that stuff.
I understand what Indian is saying. People act like Bards will be singing tales of their feats for ages to come when in reality, that’s not happening. I guarantee the vast majority of players don’t care about last season’s first let alone 10 years ago.
Extremely quickly. Many hardcore players don’t even care about worlds first before the season is even over with. Any game where you can bot to give yourself a huge leg up on the competition is not really revered for it’s accompishments. Sure, high paragon does not guarantee your success but someone with 2000 paragon will have an easier time than someone with 1000.
None of your progress is saved from prelaunch. Lrn2read.
They talk about the 4 days early launch, not the beta.
For my own info, where does it say that? Or do you mean the beta?
So it is pay2win then.
the old man have more knowlege hight,warlord ect… , something your not
one day you will have the old man knowlege sadly not today .
for sure this will dont be worst compare this week end beta and most player are already cap 25 very easy with multiple character in 2 day only , so the calcul is easy to make with 4 day , so your excuse is already invalid , don’t get emotionally involved boy this blurry your vision 
Win what, exactly?
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I have no idea, I just commented to the MVP arguing with my other post.
This.
I don’t care. I’m not prepurchasing.
I don’t give a crap about PVP or anyones biased views, why should i be emotionaly envolved? 
Your “huge advantage” will not matter in the long run we all know that. And no one will remember nor care, like a year or so after launch. But keep beating the dead horse, because as i see that what’s makes you happy. Also 4 days of “advantage” should not matter for a big pvp god like you, right?
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np just stay quite stop trolling and talking about something you dont know , i think this will look more wise 
thank you , yes i will try find a way around , this will be maybe more rough if good player hold the place idk what to expect , but this is not my issue is more to start to implement ptw feature slowly and this is already a red flag to me and also other player , you already say is a dead house mean already other player have the same issue i have