A few points:
Yes but anything is better then nothing, therefor we’ll take it!
Or hand it over to the community like other Acti-Blizz-Soft games.
Para cap limits the endless power creep from botting.
The average player probably hits 2k paragon in a season yet we’ve been botters hit over 10k. The botter with 10k gonz with mostly primal gear on a halfway decent map would be nearly impossible to beat, hence why the cap levels out the playing field greatly.
paragon is way too powerful and promotes botting in its current non capped state.
I think the fairest season ever was with a cap.
I don’t know a single legit player that minded the para cap. If anything they were stoked that they finally had a chance to compete, even in a game infested with cheats!
Yes, if cheaters were punished, we’d have no concern about alternative options yet this isnt and hasnt even been the case.
Care to back that up with facts? I think the seasons have been slowly dwindling away with active players simply because the game is old and repetitive plagued with cheaters.
A paragon cap “IS” a viable fix that does not punish legit players.
What is the highest paragon you’ve gotten in a season? 6k, 4k, 3k?
Placing a reasonable cap in that range would not hurt anyone.
I’d think the average “legit” player these days probably hits 3k maybe even less looking at the boards.
Personally, I think the 800 para was absolutely tailored to the legit player base.
Our gear was more viable then paragon, and the rolls on the gear mattered.
last I checked, that how all previous Diablo games have been. D3 got too far away from the core of its franchise, loot!
Simple, less players online 
We already DO have a paragon cap. Integers can only get so large before current computing tech is literally incapable of processing it. And here’s a spoiler: D3 isn’t running cutting edge tech, neither hardware- nor software- wise.
More to the point though, no matter what you set the cap to, Bots will get there before legal players. The time efficiency is the issue, not the scaling. You could have NO para and it’d still be a matter of “who gets to 70 first.” You could have no LEVELS and it’d be a matter of “who kills maltheal first.”
You’re just moving the goalposts. The problem is the speed at which they cross to the posts, compared to legit players.
True. I won’t hold my breath but if there was ever a vote, count me in.
Don’t YOU hold your breath on this one.
Player types vary. Yes, we have the no-lifers who get crazy paragon each season but what does the average person achieve? Nobody here will know that answer but if I had to bet, the answer would probably surprise you.
I know it’d never happen but at the end of a set of bounties, or rifts, a captcha would be funny.
Again, making a terrible situation some what less terrible is still a terrible situation.
Me grinding a couple hundred hours to get near perfect gear and a cheater grinding 5 hours total and botting for 500 hours to get more perfect gear is not a fair situation.
I am a 100% legit player and did not like the cap. Hit around paragon 750s then realized I was going to spend the rest of the season running Visions non-stop, so quit early.
And, believe it or not, I am not the only one who felt this way. This is the reason S29 had the lowest participation rate of any season with a new theme.
Again, gimping legit players to try to spite cheaters is not an option, just not a good one.
The cap does punish legit players. Once you hit around p1000ish, the upgrades slow down to a crawl. The only feeling of power progression you get is that little 5 main stat periodically.
With a P800 cap, most players hit it in a few hours forcing the game play into Vision madness. Grinding them over and over and over and over again gets tedious.
If this game had some sort of decent gear progression, I would probably agree with you. Unfortunately, the itemization is 
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Which isn’t what they did. P800 was stupidly too low. 4k-5k would have been much, much better, IMO. Giving players a carrot to chase without being too outrageous.
So why did S29 fail so spectacularly? Many, many players auto-skipped or quit far earlier than usual in this season. This with 2 highly valued things added to the game, Visions and SSFM.
This got me thinking of something off-topic but still somewhat relevant. What if AI gets to the point where it can play D3?
And then, what if someone runs a bot to compete against it?
Does that still count as griefing a player, if the player is actually AI?
EDIT: What if the AI runs a bot?
What if the AI runs another AI to run the bot?
What if I had too much coffee?
Most funniest solution ever. Do you think players will want to type a captcha, while they are doing speed runs for stuff?
“Tyrael wants to know if you’re a Nephalem! Click on all the squares that show Lorath glancing at Kadala”
Probably the coffee, but I wouldn’t consider it griefing unless AI evolves to have feelings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did one day.
Last season, any player that was capable of earning more than 800 paragon was prevented from doing so. Please explain how that’s not a detriment / punishment?
You dont know a single legit player that minded the cap? Come on, you have had discussions here with legit players who didnt like the cap or not in the form of last season (low cap). Truth is some legit players liked the cap, some didnt.
Paragon cap was bad, like really bad. Glad it’s gone.
This is unfortunately 100% incorrect.
Bots are great once they are all setup, then they become unstoppable HOWEVER the race to max level at the beginning of a season is unmatched to a legit player that knows what they are doing, shoot even novice player can beat a bot at the start of a season.
The goalposts have never moved, they’ve been in place for a decade+.
The only real competition in D3 is the first few days of a season OR the challenge rifts.
No bot can beat a legit player in the race to 100 and the follow-up to decent gear in the first 48 hours.
You can move the goalpost all you want after the first week, when the legit players stop playing due to the lack of anti-cheat.
bedazzle me! Nothing surprises me.
True, there is a certain drop-off where a bot will become stronger then any legit player, but I’d argue it isn’t for a good week into a season.
Not really, the gear rolls become more important like previous Diablo games. If you set a para cap too high, then the bots will have their top spots, if you set it low (like 800) then you see legit players in the top spots. I fail to see how this hurts the legit community at all beside from bots farming for the perfect GR.
No they weren’t, 20k was still achievable, the para allocation wasn’t.
Explain, the para cap season was the fairest season of all. There were cheats in S1.
So, should we cap seasons to a week then?
Might want to actually check the S29 LBs. Top (Americas) DH, barb, cru, monk, nec, and WD are all the same account. 1800ish hours played with 2736 hours in S29. So you calling this a legit 15.8 hours a day, for 114 straight days? The only spot this account didn’t get was Wiz which was 300 hours, so a realistic 3 hours a day. The above account did finish third and the 2 spot was taken by an 8 hour a day account.
So again, me playing 300+ hours to get those top gear rolls while a cheater turns on his bot for a 1000 hours or so to get slightly better gear is fair? Again, somewhat less broken is still broken.
I am still waiting for an explanation as someone cheating for 2000 hours to get 4000 more paragon is not fair, but cheating for 2000 hours to get slightly better gear is fair.
If I run a marathon, and someone takes a cab from the start line and drops back in when I hit the 100 meter left mark, it is not a fair race.
A low cap like 800 pushes players into one type of game mode, grinding Visions until their eyes bleed. Humans are not meant for this boring, tedious grind, which is why people use bots in the first place. Actual humans need some variety now and then. For a game that pretty much only has 3 activities, bounties/Visions, rifts, GR’s, making 2 out of 3 activities obsolete punishes players and encourages them not to play.
The itemization in this game is terrible. The gear hunt dies incredibly quickly. Paragon fills the endorphin gap for most legit players. It gives a semblance of power progression when you hit the spot where upgrades are far and few between.
Again, S29 had a low player participation and retention rate compared to seasons with new Themes around it. People dropped like flies because non-stop Visions are boring. This is why it is bad for legit players.
Lol, the race to 100? I think you are mistaken with D4.
And yet you hardly played the season and yet you still made complaining thread in the most fairest season.
This is exactly how interested I was during that season…
I didn’t even bother getting to 800 because I knew that I’d get zero benefit (during the season) from doing so.
I have piece of advice for you…
I don’t know and nobody else does either. I was meaning that if I had to bet money…
But I can see my stalker coming in, posting some forum post from a random person or some other piece of conjecture and saying “See! Someone does know the answer!” I guarantee reading my first sentence, they want to so bad but won’t because I said this.
There are methods that can be put into play so that bots do not get to the cap first. One can feel free to suggest any (though they’ll likely fall on deaf ears since it’s clear the company doesn’t care) completely ignoring the few “that’s not a good idea because it wasn’t my idea” people we have on this forum.
Yet it was your most played season.
So were botters running SSFM? probably not. Everyone below you is running 300-500 hours for the season, so, 3-5 hours a day. If the mode is loaded with legit players, it would make sense legit players lead the board. Extreme paragon cap and all, and your run with 300 hours is still 2:20 slower than the run the guy did with 1800 hours.
Thank you, though, for proving my point. You grinded (I am assuming) 300 legit hours and got smoked by a guy who put in a legit 10 hours and ran his bot for 1800 hours. Seems fair.