Indeed.
Also I’m not trying to be snarky towards you specifically. Apologies if I’m coming across as rude to you.
I just think the situation is simultaneously more and less complicated than people think. It’s actually really simple why things happen (or don’t happen), but it’s often very nuanced as to how those things interact with the customers vs cheaters dynamic.
I mean in the end I don’t even like Diablo 3 that much. I think it was fun when it was my first Diablo game I ever played. Apparently I also played the first game in the franchise to veer wildly off course from how 1 and 2 were built.
But don’t worry about it I get insulted all the time. People think I’m dumb cause i don’t like PoE, but imo it’s a trashy clunky free to play heap of junk.
Anyway fighting cheaters is very tough to do as it’s its own business with tons invested in it for RMT and other reasons I guess.
I liked PoE back like, 10 years ago when I only worked part time and was young enough to pull all nighters on the regular with little repercussions.
Now, though… let’s just say if I don’t get a solid 6 to 8 hours of shut eye per night, I’m missing work the next day, which means far less disposable income that month, lol
PoE is not for me anymore. Not by a long shot.
Anti cheat enforcement shouldn’t be up to the players. Blizz has a dedicated hacks team, but whatever they’re doing isn’t and hasn’t worked.
The season 29 paragon cap was the single best step in D3s anti cheat history. Sure botters were there but their endless paragon was rendered useless. I was viting for a more realistic cap for all future seasons. This discourages cheats and promotes fair competition.
If the hacks team is too lazy to put effort into D3, then at least limit the cheaters effectiveness with a cap.
Their hacks team covers literally every single game they have. It’s not dedicated specifically to Diablo 3. Furthermore, it’s literally never been up to us to “enforce” fair play. But we should definitely report suspected cheaters when we see them.
What good are the police when nobody calls them?
But… cheaters were still there.
Do you actually care about catching cheaters? Or do you only ostensibly care?
I never cheated. I was abused by cheaters.
Why spout common knowledge, everyone knows this already.
Again, common knowledge.
This discussion isn’t about things the community can’t do, but rather to gain visibility in hopes of action.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Plenty of D3 players are fed up that cheaters continuously get away with botting and other cheat software and are bold enough to stream it!
A dev told us this 7 years ago and there is no need to bring it up again lol.
My issue with emailing the hacks team is it shouldn’t be that involved or complicated.
D3 should have an in game reporting feature OR real time anti cheat OR more frequent bans.
We’ve seen examples of cheaters that go un banned after getting reported via email so it isn’t 100% certain that the hacks mailbox is even monitored.
Blizzard openly opposes “naming and shamming” honestly i believe they should rethink that policy i mean Con Artist games they have an official sticky thread that they update every few weeks which posts the names of every known cheater botter and hack user that they catch Blizz should hire a few interns to maintain a similar list if a small indie company with only about 6 staffers can manage to handle such a list why cant Blizzard do the same
Which is cool but it would require some kind of real proof that the person belongs on that list. If you simply put people on there because of hearsay or conjecture like I’ve seen on here, the list would contain so many legit players, it wouldn’t be worth reading considering how many go around reporting people who aren’t cheating.
I played a game back in the late 90s/early 00s and they had a list like this on the forums. All you had to do was accuse someone to get them on there. Even after it was finally taken down, the stigma was already there. “Hey, weren’t you that one cheater guy?”
I think that you misread the post that you responded to. The list was being made by the game company of identified cheaters that the company itself discovered and verified. It is not based on any conjecture or hearsay of some random forum member but the actual determination of the video game company itself.
When most forum posters have raised questions about a player’s potential illegitimacy, it is based on in game data available to all players. That is not hearsay or conjecture. For example, an account that has “played” 23.5 hours per day for months straight would raise questions. This information about seasonal hours played is available in game on PC for all accounts that are on.the leaderboards.
yeah it was a locked and stickied post that the forum mods put there and on a regular basis they would amend the names it wasn’t an open thread that anyone could reply to only the GM had access to it
I dont know how that would work in this game where the cheaters buy new accounts everytime they get banned. Also they play in their own ( closed) communities, so they wouldnt even care if they are on a list.
If D3 had less cheaters, or was enforced more strictly then sure, name shaming would suck, especially for the non guilty call outs.
The reality is D3 has so many cheaters that they should allow it, especially since there in no real time anti cheat or in game reporting.
Guilty is guilty with proof and if someone is caught cheating, it isn’t shaming anymore.
Sounds like the D3 leaderboards at the end of a season lol.
Just go on twitch and watch some play. You will notice there are at least 4+ using some sort of cheat / 3 party programming which is not allowed. But they are not doing anything against it
There is a reason to why. Simply there isnt a system which is good enough. U can report in game. However ppl just report whoever they dislike. Alot of ppl accuse random ppl without proof. U for example accuse anyone who is above u on LB.
U have such system in dota2 for example. And yes its a disaster.
Actually it is. Shaming anyone is wrong. If it was allowed ppl would just call out innocent ppl which they believe are guilty.
Can you link me to when Warden was retired? I’m fairly sure if you tried to be blatant enough with your cheating, you’d get caught in real time by Warden. As I keep telling you.
The tools are there, you just hate how infrequently people YOU think are cheating see consequences.
What exactly would a “wall of shame” accomplish? You think someone willing to buy burner accounts and bot licenses, is going to be squeamish about having their Bnet handle black-listed by the 50 some odd forum regulars left around here?
If even ONE person gets false-positive and thrown on that wall, it does a thousand percent more harm than good.
It reminds me of one or two public games where I got kicked out, for speed cheating… I was using the Manajuma set with my WD 
exactly, people are quick to judge because they do not comprehend. At some time when i was like 5k para by playing an avg of 6h/d i joined a pub game and got called out for cheating, after pointing out to actually look at my profile they then proceeded what a no-lifer i am and how sad my life would be etc. Public is pretty dumb and allowing name and shame would lead to false accusations.
When they are caught with proof and they are guilty as guilty as they can be, then they are punished by being banned, if they are banned no need for naming or shaming, if they arent guilty then there is no need for naming or shaming, if they are banned and they are not purged by blizz from the leaderboards that is a blizz issue as i agree that they should purge the leaderboard after a banwave.
No they are not. They keep cheating.
I think you’re confusing him with that merco or whatever his name was guy who bragged about reporting everyone he disliked, or was better than him with no proof. Well, claimed he had proof but did not.
“I reported everyone and some peope ended up getting banned! I’m such a sleuth!” Yeah guy, shooting buckshot at fish in a barrel and getting a hit does not make you a marksman.
What I find suspicious is the weird posts in these threads trying to protect cheaters. And I’m not talking about ones from the sock patrol.