Changes to top 100 of solo barb era leaderboard

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I’m not sure what you are getting at with your “observational” posts, they just seem half thought out. No one said Morticks would not be used. They specifically said that it does not provide a substantial dps gain. It can provide additional toughness or can swapped in for some other source of DR and it does provide excellent healing.

I play Barb in HC and I’m going to try to swap it in on several builds, but for me it’s more about the toughness or healing that I can get with that item more so than any kind of dps boost.

I’m definitely not surprised at all to see some high clears using Morticks, I’m sure many of the top players will give it a go in their builds to see what they can do.

Your posts regarding barbs always seems to imply a contradiction to what many barb experts tell you and have shown you through math. I know you keep saying you are advocating for barb buffs, but maybe you should consider not posting your “observations” about barbs, as they don’t appear to be widely accepted by anyone.

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Multiple posts by several posters have implied that Mortick’s bracers were trash and that no top tier build would use them. For FoT, I think that one poster referred to them as only useful for zDPS builds. However, the #8 solo barb used that amulet.

I am fairly certain that I did not personally discuss whether top tier barbs would use Morticks. You must have me confused with someone else. I saw the DPS math and people arguing why the math did not take into account several factors. I did not pick a side. As a stated previously, the argument would resolve itself soon after patch 2.6.6 went live.

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I made rank 25 HC with morticks on my IK. I may push higher (I feel way more comfortable now than before) tomorrow but we will see.

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Seriously I am thinking of opening a new account named:

MacroDNA and start posting every kind of thing all over :rofl:

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Seriously?

Most players were saying Flavor of Time would become BiS for maximum fishing, aka getting a perfect Power/Conduit rift with a minute uptime. What Barbarian players were trying to say was the item is crap for Barbarians because it doesn’t fix any of our issues.

Same thing with Mortick’s. Of course some players are going to use it. 5k LpFS and 50% DR? You can now add in damage elsewhere via another item or via another passive.

This is a perfect example of you trolling Micro. You are clearly misrepresenting what Barbarian players were saying and are pushing your actual agenda that says Barbarians are fine.

Just stop already.

“Barbarians received no buffs for 2 patches” - Barbarians

“Well actually most classes only received a couple of buffs, so it’s not that big of a deal” - MicroRNA

“Barbs have had zero item updates in forever” - Barbarians

“Well actually there’s only been a dozen class specific item updates since Barbarians last update, so it’s not that bad” - MicroRNA

“Barbarians are consistently the lowest solo GR class” - Barbarians

“Well actually Barbarians have been 5th out of 7th a few seasons/eras” - MicroRNA

Just stop with your well actually nonsense please.

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Jako,

To the best of my knowledge, everything I say below is factual with the caveat that the items in quotes are not direct quotes but an approximation of what was stated. I kept them in quotes because Jako had them in quotes.

Some posters: “Barbarians received no buffs for 2 patches”

MicroRNA- All classes received buffs to 6 piece sets in patch 2.6.4. In patch 2.6.6, Mortick’s bracer was “reintroduced” to the game.

Some posters: “Barbs have had zero item updates in forever”

MicroRNA – Patch 2.6.6 reintroduced Morticks Bracers and overall there have been only 11 class specific item updates from patch 2.6.1a to 2.6.6 (not counting buffs to 6 piece sets). During this time, the only class not to receive a class-specific item update are monks.

Some posters: “Morticks is crap and Flavor of time is useless for top tier barb solo clears”

MicroRNA: “I checked the leaderboard. Many individuals in the top 100 have set new personal bests using Mortick. These include 5 of the top 13 era solo barb clears.* #8 best clear used both Mortick’s and FoT.
*Solo barb era Leaderboard accessed in game on August 23, 11am EDT.

Some posters: “Barbarians are consistently the lowest solo GR class”

MicroRNA: Barbarian are currently the worst in terms of solo GR clears. In prior seasons (12-16) and eras, other classes were lowest. Prokhan’s analysis of season 12 and by extension patch 2.6.1 is consistent with my analysis that barbs were fairly well-balanced with other classes who were in need of a buff at that time.

Some posters: “MicroRNA claims that barbs are currently fine.”

MicroRNA: “Barbs are clearly the weakest solo DPS class at the moment and deserve a buff.”

Lets be honest if I had in fact said what Jako claimed, he or the others would have shown the direct quotes themselves as proof. Needless to say, these quotes don’t exist. In contrast, I showed multiple quotes from some posters that confirmed what was really posted as it relates to post #7.

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I’m sure you want to “help” in your own convoluted and incoherent way. But the “fact” of the matter is that Free, Rage, and the rest of the Barb community have this under control.

We don’t need your “help”, in “fact”, we don’t want your “help”.

What we all do want is for you to

Do you understand the Word

Great! Hope to never hear this broken record ever again.

Thanks for understanding!

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Ty. DieHard.

The sound of the microphone dropping to the floor was echoing loud.

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@ DH

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I simply wonder if a factually accurate argument about why barbs need a buff would be more compelling to the developers who according to Free has not given a meaningful barb buff in more than 3.5 years despite barb pleas.

Since I did not comment on the state of barbs until after the release of the 2.6.6 barbarian buff proposal website, I think that is it fair to think about introspection rather than silencing others who recently offered facts and data.

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Free and Rage’s proposal is more than sufficient. Nev has has read through it and I’m positive that so have the Devs. I’m also positive that whatever you interject will fall on deaf ear as far as Nev and the Devs are concerned. Your contributions are unnecessary and unsolicited. The Buffs that are coming to Barbs are coming and nothing you post will sway the Devs one way or the other. The only thing you’ll get from this is a severe case of carpal tunnel.

So again,

STOP wasting your time and prep youself for the coming Season instead, ok pal :wink:.OK!

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Nev has already commented on the 2.6.6. barb proposal in a post in reply to Free as well as the ongoing D3 support blog. In corporate speak, I think that it is clear that Blizzard will incorporate a few buffs (not the 10 in list 1 or the 28 in list 2) to old barb items but their main focus is on new 6 piece sets for each class and new items.

In terms of posting “unsolicited” on the forum, I have as much right as you or anyone else as long as I follow Blizzard’s rules. Almost all posts on this forum by definition are unsolicited. Did Blizzard solicit the barb 2.6.6. buff proposal? Or is it something that was done by Free and Rage? Of note, although Free has been vocal in responding to me, Rage has been much more quiet. To my knowledge (I will need to double check his 90 posts), I do not think that he stated that anything I posted was wrong in his mind. He did post that Free and I were not convincing each other of the other’s viewpoint and to let it go. In a post (nothing to do with me), Rage did correct Free on a technical aspect of the game when Free had stated something else earlier about procs.

May not play season this time. I have played every season since extra stash tabs were gated in seasons but one I think. The fresh restart is getting old. Already have the max 13 stash tabs and all the recycled cosmetics.

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Just another passive aggressive troll to poke barb fans.

Shoo!

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Free and I argue all the time, in a constructive way. That’s how the proposal took shape. When I make a mistake, he usually catches it, and vice versa.

I have a general policy of not replying to you at all, because I don’t feel like getting sucked into a bunch of pointless arguments.

I guess it needs to be said, though: I disagree with basically everything you post, either in “letter”, in “spirit”, or both.

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Thanks Rage. I do not agree with your assessment but I do appreciate the fact that you did not resort to name calling or other silliness. I know that I often choose not to respond to people that I disagree with. Sometimes I do. :smile:

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Yes Micro, but there comes point where one needs to STOP and smell the flower, one needs recognizes that they need to STOP and move on. No one is buying what you’re selling. We see past the facade, we see right through you, you’re not here to support Barbs.

Give us more of this.

And much less of this. This is the third and final time I’ll post on the matter. Everyone has asked you to STOP with charades. Balls in your court.

Don’t be a troll.

Can’t wait for Barb Buffs!!!

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Because all other proposals are batting a thousand too.

Why?

As are all other ideas thrown around on this forum. This is a FORUM… For those that forget what a FORUM is let me remind you:

a public meeting place for open discussion

So he will and you should let him.

I remember a time when no one bought what you sold either. I always stuck up for your right to be able to post about it without all the hate and bashing. It breaks my heart a little to see that I am now having to stick up for another person to be able to do the same thing and you are now the one trying to stifle him.

You and Free are now the only people I know that have the ability to read past what is being written and find hidden meaning in things… He has clearly stated over and over again that barbs are in a bad spot and need lots of love. How you read that as he doesn’t care about barbs is amazing to me.

Just remember that this is a public forum that none of you here own. You have just as much right to throw around your thoughts and ideas on how this class should play / be buffed / be fixed as he does. You don’t have to like it or even agree with it but you really shouldn’t be trying to stop it.

Everyone should do a little more of this :

Instead of replying to every post and keeping them up at the top. You truly want to silence this man? Stop keeping his posts at the top with your whining and crying about his posts.

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Dartok, are you familiar with what people say about the word “but”? When someone says but, it means ignore everything they said before.

MicroRNA: “I think Barbarians need lots of love, but…”

Everytime he claims he agrees Barbarians are weak he nullifies it by going off on a tangent talking about how they don’t have it that bad. Someone calls him out for it. He makes a long winded post and puts in bold letters Barbarians need updates. Then two hours later he’s making yet another post negating everything he just said and arguing against Barbarian updates.

It would be nice to not respond to him. This is where the Downvote and Ignore functions came in handy on the old forums.

Sigh.

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To paraphrase, Micro says the following:

“Barb’s are in a bad spot, but not really, look at your solo clears, you guys are fine.”

I want to be in good standing with everyone. Micro has right to post as much as anyone, but the facade is disingenuine. Micro has just as much right as I do. I haven’t changed. I continue to post as I see fit. I loved to theory craft and that will not change, whether I’m right or wrong. I’m wrong more often than I’m right, but when I’m wrong I’ll own it. And I’ve learned to choose my battles.

Peace my friend. That goes for you as well Micro. I hope there are no hard feelings.

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Seems you had the right of this, Micro. Sometimes the numbers don’t tell the whole story. While it’s clear Mortick’s was a bit of a buff, it’s also not very much. Not nearly what was needed. Unfortunately, Stone gauntlets further pushed Barbs into a support role instead of a DPS one.

I'm not at all sure what this dogpile on Micro is about. He is pointing out, correctly, that Morticks was a bit of an upgrade. I don't think I've ever seen him say that it was enough of an upgrade. 

 His posts are at least interesting, and take a lot of effort, and I feel like that should be acknowledged.

 Whenever he has some kind of ulterior motive is also irrelevant. The devs have  proven time and time again feedback often falls on deaf ears.
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