Increasing is changing.
If you lower the drop chances you have reverse power creep.
Drop chances and power creep are directly correlated as long as those drop chances serve the players to find in-game loot.
sigh I donât want to turn this into a forum mod debate, but⌠you were likely banned because you broke the CoC. And you get extremely defensive and scream trolling from the clock tower in every thread you make.
Anyway. You really canât discuss drop rates in a vacuum. Itâs highly dependent on what other systems are present.
D3, for instance, went the nutso route of having all the power be on gear, and not just gear but legendary gear⌠so they were forced to ratchet up the drop rates until that gear dropped in abundance. Otherwise players wouldnât be able to progress.
Grim Dawn, in contrast, has a pretty low drop rate on legendary items, but it works because the gear isnât your only power source, thereâs a good crafting system, and gear other than the legendaries remains useful and desired which means that even if you arenât finding the legendary items youâre still finding useful things.
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but you forgot to mention that it takes unfair levels of play to get those items drop as ancients directly.
No it doesnât. It takes stupid levels of play to get Primals, but Ancients arenât difficult.
It might be harder depending on your play style⌠you donât go beyond T11 or T12, if I remember correctly, so of course youâre going to have a more difficult time than someone in T16. And if you donât do bounties to reroll anything itâll be harder still.
Plus you hate Kadala.
Primals iâm not even considering yet
i play T13 or T15, Grifts equal to that
i indeed donât try upgrading alot, true that
i hate Kadala, but i use her ofc, because i get keeping showered with bloodshards
-she barely drops anything, because iâve a character in full ancient on each class, except wizard. i think that has an influence on her drops.
This isnât true. T10 allowed you to progress just at a slower rate. They were not forced to increase drop rates, they chose to. THEY increased the power creep to a point that everyone could steamroll T10 and then the fans responded by saying they need higher torments. The devs added more torments and that allowed for increased drop rates, obviously.
The power creep hasnât stopped. People are cruising through T16 now and speed clearing GR 70s getting 8 or 9 leggos every Grift. The gear grind is shorter than ever, and how do they âfixâ that? Ancient ancients thatâs how. Thatâs not content, itâs just more power creep/inflated numbers. Drop chance only affects the time it takes to complete the gear grind. Lowering drop chance doesnât reverse power creep at all. All the power creep has come from the insane damage multipliers on sets and leggos and bliz consistently increasing numbers across the board. Itâs just 
By the time T10 was around there had already been several drop rate increases, and the items that had been really rare - IE Starmetal Kukri - had already gotten a targeted drop rate increase.
GRs were also a big culprit in drop rate increases, and they were also around before T10.
Further, Kadalaâs drop rates were upgraded several times, and Blood Shards became massively easier to get en masse.
And then we got the Cube, providing yet another avenue to get legendary items via upgrading yellows.
Drop rates have nothing to do with power creep. The items that the devs change or create is what causes power creep. The only thing that drop rates do is determine how long it will take us to find those really great items.
Look all games have problems with power creep, even games like PoE. By that account the true dedicated player would leave as soon as the smallest bit of power creep shows up. With that line of reasoning dedicated players wouldâve left WoW during Burning Crusades, even though according to the majority that expansion was the best expansion that WoW has had.
Now you are talking about power creep in amounts. Make up your mind it is either the insane amount of power creep in this game you are talking about or it is power creep in any form that it takes no matter how small or how big.
This mess has a lot of symptoms that started with Jay and company. The way the game was originally designed. Along with the changes on RoS lead the devs down the road to causing it to rain legendaries out of the sky. The fact that the gear makes the build almost forces them to do just that. Without that type of drop rates along with the fact there wouldnât be any alternatives to BiS gear would mean that it could take players many months to years to be able to play the build that they want within a reasonable amount of time.
Having gear make the build also made it impossible for the devs to increase the power of the character by actually giving it to the characters instead of the gear.
Knowing that the chances of a second expansion for this game is slim and none then there will be no grand overhauls to this game that would make it even better than what it is now. So we will have to live with the game as it stands.
First of all the items have to exist in order for power creep to exist. Which means that if the devs of a game never make changes to the game at all, which is what they would have to do in order to make sure there is zero power creep. A game without any new content at all for many long decades might not work at all.
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Sounds like itâs going to be a WoW Expansion and an Overwatch Sequel/Expansion.
Probably no Diablo news then.
Hype train officially dead for me.
But who knows.
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What the gear that you want still takes too much effort to get. I guess Blizz needs to mail you primals with the stats you need for whatever build you want to play. I donât see how it is unfair levels of play. Oh wait I know you want to be able to get all decked out in primals without ever stepping into a GR or going higher than normal right.
Yes I know thatâŚyou know what else is a âchangeâ? A decrease is a changeâŚwhich you say here counteracts power creepâŚwhy would you say a change automatically leads to power creep, and then state that if it is a change in a certain direction, it nullifies powercreep?
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On a patch where you find the items quicker (PTR with buffed leg drop rate for example) you invest less time to gain the same character stats as before. That is the power creep from increased item drop chances. And it takes away the meaning of the work of the dedicated grinders who spend a lot more time in the past to gain these same stats. This is the same as introducing new more powerful items allowing the players to gain these stats quicker/easier.
If a player who is a dedicated grinder wanting to maximize its character stats/wealth in comparison to other players gains stats X for a year, and after a patch the regular player could gain the same stats X for a week, this means the patch introduced power creep and the work of the grinder has been reduced by 52 times.
Itâs like working a year for a boss B and after that being paid for a week. Would you work again for B? Most sane people wonât.
Constant power creep is the reason why no serious grinders would play what is in its core a grinding game. Just as botting, which essentially transforms in more stats for those who practice this form of cheating. Botting is the unofficial power creep.
Nullifying means not changing it.
Decreasing/increasing drop chances means itâs a change and this affects power creep.
If you increase drop chances with each patch, youâll start losing dedicated players. If you decrease drop chances with each patch, youâll start losing casual players. Best scenario is to never touch these. Just as to never introduce any power creep. Just as to perma ban botters and never allow them to buy another license (like I do with the people on my troll list).
What you do if suddenly the chance to find any item gets 0? Youâll buy items from vendors. To do that youâll need gold from killing mobs with your starting weapon at Level 0. Try it, just never pick any items that drop. Progress is slower than before, because you lack the stats from before. That is reverse power creep.
Thatâs because vendors donât have the good items⌠but they would if the drop rate was 0 and your only option was to buy them.
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No thatâs not what nullify meansâŚ
Try again.
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if i have to drop my fun builds and suffer complexity and frustration, yes, then itâs unfair.
-i donât even ask for primals.
Donât like what I have to say, donât read it, though to be fair I guess, it seems obvious that you didnât anyways, so maybe itâs a cry for help.
Did you have a hard day 3 days ago?
What do you really need ancients to play the build that you want? No, you donât need ancients to play the build that you want. Heck there are many snowflake builds out there that donât need ancients to be successful as far as you having fun. Just get a Legacy of Dreams Gem to level 99 which isnât that hard to do these days by using any decent set build. Then when you have done that. Along with collecting the gear and it all doesnât have to be ancient. Then you can try the build out to see how strong it is.
Also there is no complexity when playing the strongest builds. Just put on a set along with its support legendaries and legendary gems. Then just keep playing to get what you want out of the game.
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i play all classes at T13 or T15
-i need ancients to play those levels with comfort.
-iâve barely a current issue with that.
-my point was the low droprate of ancients directly at those levels.
Look if you are playing a build to see if it is a fun build to play. A build that you would want to get better gear for. Then you donât need all ancients to find out if that build is fun to play. You could keep the other setup you used to farm the new gear for that build. Then after testing you could figure out if you wanted to keep it or junk it.
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