Blizzard one simple change for Wizards - add damage multiplier to Aetherwalker

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If that is the case the only remaining issue is to locate where the column is in the skill files that is responsible for this micro cooldown.

Has Teleport always been like this, even in vanilla?

I just wonder what the reason for that is. It is either because the base attack speed of that skill is low, in which case it should be easy to adjust it, or it is because of some deeper programming issue. I don’t know, I had to look into the gamefiles themself.

hmm, unlimited Teleport for no resource costs and (almost) no cooldown is hefty, but it would come at the cost of an orb, which means you loose a few hundred percentages of damage boosts.

It still feels unbalanced to me, even though you loose an xxx% damage increase from the orb.

I can agree that this is a reasonable amount.

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As far as I remember the micro-cooldown is added by using Aetherwalker. It can only happen when you play with that wand anyways. The true potetial is how the skill acts when you can port a second time (= Wormhole rune). That being said, it might be necessary to have a micro-cooldown of sorts, but it has to be shortend significantly.

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Or it is on the skill and the runes themself, except Wormhole, that was my thinking.
So Aetherwalker would not add something, but rather trigger what is already there on all runes except Wormhole (I have to admit I never ever used Reversal other then to see how it works several years ago).

Skills like Battle Rage also have a micro cooldown iirc to prevent them from spamming it accidentally.

I personally think it is fine without it. Teleport then would work similarly to Dashing Strike in regards to using it a few times one after the other.

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Taken from another thread for your education (credit to Alex).

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You have a 2 second teleport with Archon regardless of using Vyr. Is it hard to tell or you’re selective on your high damage number skills all it can fit to a 6 slot action bar? I ask Wizard players a question, do you have to use Vyr’s to get Archon with all those items offering Archon stacks, available to you?

You don’t have to use Vyr to get Archon Teleport skillrune. In case you don’t like giving away dmg for mobility then it’s too bad because that’s the trade off for you. Are you intentionally lefting this out to beg a damage buff for? All other classes have to use other Sets for mobility too, big deal. All the ruckus is for having to give away Improved Archon?

Manajuma and Steed are 2 piece sets for speedfarm and you’re complaining about having to use one slot Aether Walker by giving away “too much” while you always have the option of taking Archon Teleport, Illusionist or use Zodiac for your speedbuilds if you don’t like plain Teleport.
Do teleport or any kind of high mobility have any place or importance for push builds at all? Does it make sense to you to claim Wizards having the worst mobility while you can easily squeeze mobility skills, items and bonuses for speedfarm builds?

For a push build giving away mobility is a trade off for damage increase and it will stay that way. There’s no way to balance things around Wizards unless you’re willing to go that mile and overbuff them at terms of time efficiency.

As for other classes, Crusaders and Barbarians are beasts with Falling Swords, Charge/Leap builds at terms of mobility and damage but that’s because they’re melee combat classes and need to cover the distance quickly. Their other specs don’t have that luxury either.
Infinite Dash monks either have to use a legendary fist weapon item or a Set for it to chain, without them they’re low on mobility uptime too. WD have all their skills be at close quarters again and they have to use 2-pieces Set for speed but I don’t hear them complaining, with long cooldown SWalk.

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Not sure if I follow you, but it seems you’re basically saying that if Wizards want mobility they just need to pick Archon and shut up which is basically where we are stuck now. And mind you that even with teleport Wizards do get outrunned quite easily in my experience. And let’s not forget that the Teleport skill in itself has problems with it’s horrid pathfinding and 1 sec internal CDR.

It’s also good to remember that not everyone likes Archon and wouldn’t you say it’s pretty sad that the Archon skill has a better rune for Teleport then the Teleport skill itself?

And sure you can just pick Archon with the Teleport Rune and have a 2 sec cooldown. However that 2 second only works while in Archon, so outside of Archon you either don’t teleport (i.ow. you walk) or you have to put the skill on the bar (and usually this means the Illusionist passive as well). Besides that Archon is basically glued to VYR (well, okay LOD works to if we’re talking reverse Archon) so it’s not as simple as running a for instance running with a Typhon Veil build and swapping one skill out for mobility.

And outside Archon/VYR? Well, sure you can put up TP with the rune Wormhole on your bar which give you 2 teleports, but you need Illusionist as well. Problem in speeds is that you need to get hit, which is somewhat of lousy mechanic in itself, to reset the CDR, but the bigger problem is that in a group, especially when you play with build that can clear complete screens like DH, you don’t get hit and that leaves you with 2 teleports followed by 11 second (or 8 if the CDR starts after the first teleport, don’t know which) you walk while your party member fly ahead of you. And even if you’re playing solo, for you to get hit usually means that you have to stand still. Not really what we want now do we?

But Aether Walker I can almost hear your mention? Well first of all AW is usually a massive gimp in our DPS. Look, I don’t mind sacrificing some DPS, but because AW is a weapon we loose a massive amount of DPS. Not just because AW itself dps wise is total sh**, but also because the weapon slot usually is slot that’s directly to mechanics of the build (Chantodo, Twistersword, Deathwish). Better that they would have made it a belt or a ring.

Also 25 AP is a pretty steep price to pay for one teleport compared to the resource cost other classes have to pay for their mobilty. And it basically means that usually after 4 or 5 teleports you’re done and then you need to generate AP. And that means that you either have to stand still and cast a primary skill to generate AP again or stand still, wait for your AP to replenish itself and maybe cast a skill in the hope to replenish it faster. That if you have something to cast on … remember group play? You might find yourself with very little monsters you use to generate AP off so you run with your basic 25% movement speed waiting for your AP to be replenished so you can teleport again. By which time your party member already have moved a couple of screens further since their mobility works a lot better.

I bet you that if we were to do rifts and make the goal the first to reach the end Pylon the Wizard will finish dead last every time.

So yeah, I think Wizards have some legitimate claims that their mobility could use some work.

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I HATE Archon… I really do. And gating mobility behind a skill that has 120 sec cooldown without Vyr (2) kinda defeats the purpose no matter how you look at it. That being said, as mentioned, Illusionist does not really work in speed farm builds, because you need to take damage. Normally mobs are dead before you even can take enough damage. Not to mention wizards also rely on shields to keep certain buffs like Squirts up. What happens if we need to take damage to reset Teleport? Yup… exactly.

This kind of design was never good but it was at least tolerable at earlier stages of game development. Nowadays it feels outdated and suffocating. I’m normally a 99% wizard player and after testing around a little with other classes mobility skills I can easily tell one thing. Their options feel more fluent and overall better, especially on a technical level.

If Wizard’s Teleport skill had the same mechanic like Necros (with charges and 5 second recharge time) then the Necromancer would still be superior thanks to Teleports horrible pathing that gets stuck on literally everything that isn’t empty space - what a joke. Just copy the damn code if you must. Can’t be that hard.

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I played Twister Wizard for the last few days (with Teleport - Wormhole and Slow Time, Magic Wepon - Deflection, Galvanizing Ward and Illusionist) and apparently Illusionist also procs and resets Teleport and Slow Time when the damage gets absorbed from your Energy Shield.

Or at least something was resetting my Teleport and Slow Time.

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Yes, illusionist will proc even if the damage you’ve taken is absorbed through your shields; so long as you’ve taken the required amount of damage that is. In other words, if you’re using wizard’s shielding effects, then your health doesn’t actually need to drop in order for illusionist to proc.

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It’s been a while since I used Illusionist. That might work at times. But still, kinda defeats the purpose if squishy wizards need to take a hit for mobility. Also, good luck on getting Illusionist to work as reliable in speeds - and you should avoid the shield pylons unless you want to walk… :smiley:

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I didn’t pay attention to how reliable it is or if it always works (especially since there is no visual shield indicator around the health globe, but based on my feeling Teleport was available very often.

Illusionist might need an update (in combination with Teleport). I always thought of Illusionist to be more something like a failsave, rather than something which fantasy revolves around mobility.

What I found fascinating with that Wizard (who also used Stone Gauntlets) was that I could face tank several Molten explosions one after the other.

One thing that makes it so strong is that damage first has to go through the Deflection shield. I don’t know how many stacks of Deflection I regularly have, but from what I heard, Hydra Wizards with Electrocute and the massive attack speed buffs from Fragment of Destiny and The Shame of Delsere can get ridiculous amounts of Deflection Shield stacks. Maybe that should be capped at 10 or so - would also be worth a discussion.

I also just figured that out a few days ago.

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So does Monks when they exhaust their Dash charges out of combat and not having up time at Epiphany. You brought Monks’ Epiphany by quoting another individual and I’m telling you how similar they are actually.
Demon Hunters, Barbarians, Crusaders, Monks; all bound to their ultimate transformation to deal damage and negate crowd control and you’re complaining about Wizards lacking mobility because you “hate” or “don’t like” Archon. You even have alternative options to substitute for it via passives.

Also you need Unwavering Will incase you get pinned at a push build too but it’s not mandatory for a speedfarm build. You’re counting so many choices and not considering any of them to be practical then? Why are you playing a Wizard?

By class theme, they’re mobile but also given tons of crowd control with debuffs and on top of that, they’re ranged, they don’t need to chase anything at all. None of your complaints prove Wizards lacking any kind of mobility, it just proves that they have a distinctive line inbetween a push and a speedfarm build.

Wizards have Aether Walker just clogging one slot while 'saders have 2-piece Steed, Witch Docs have 2-piece Manajuma. Vyr is the only thing that offers a similar trade off with its 2-piece bonus with most crucial ones being Teleport and Improved Archon skill runes.
Still, Vyr is not glued to Archon and you don’t have to have Vyr’s if you need some mobility at your speedfarm build as you can squeeze one of the free Archon stacks legendaries in the build. In case you’re really concerned, no one prevents you from grabbing a Zodiac ring to the build I guess.

Just to be sure I checked last patches’ top dog build Starpact LoD Bazooka Wizard and I don’t remember any teleport or high mobility item besides Illusory Boots. Your woes about lacking mobility is irrelevant at high level play, and at speedfarm specs you can easily squeeze in either of these items without sacrificing anything noticeable.
Almost entirety of class roster is bound to ultimate transformation (Champion, WotB, Vengeance, Epiphany…) or a momentary buff (Land of the Dead) and you’re complaining about being bound to that while you can ignore that altogether. We all know how terrible Wizard passives are in comparison to each other, so it’s not a big deal either.

More or less, because you already have high effective range and don’t have to chase anything. Your woes about mobility only applies to the speedfarm portion of the class and as far as I can tell, none of the classes balanced on terms of speedfarm specs solely.
Anything in active combat should be answered by crowd control or debuffs for sweeping with mass area damage; that’s what your class is. At least the purpose of it.

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So does nearly every class out there. Classes have to give up damage to gain speed. They give up a weapon to equip In Geom to have their teleports reset. I prefer Aether Walker over In Geom because you are protected against bad luck.

I keep having to tell people this, but for some reason every one thinks the speed problem with Wizard is a problem with Teleport. The problem isn’t Teleport. The problem is the lack of instant screen clearing abilities. The only thing close to being decent is Frozen Orb or Chantodo Archon.

Other than those 2 builds, Wizard lacks the capability to instantly clear the screen and continue moving. This is the main problem. The solution isn’t too “fix” teleport.

IF blizzard made teleport a 10 charge ability with no ICD and a 1 second cooldown. It will assist with speed, but it won’t allow Wizard to be a speedy clear class like others.

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I’m regards to actual solutions to speed clears.

  1. Make Serpent Sparker able to summon up to 5 Hydras, and change the TV set to have Hydras follow the wizard while moving.

  2. Add an additional effect to Aether Walker to automatically cast a resource spender when teleporting.

  3. Add an effect to Nilfur’s boots to give meteor the Thunder crash ruin. (Thundercrash + shower would be awesome)

  4. Buff Manald Heal and Electrocute coefficients for Manald. Add a legendary effect to automatically pulse lightning around the wizard. (Similar to Chantodo)

These would be a start.

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Similar? How is infinite Dash similar to a not infinite teleport? The only thing similar is the range both skills cover.

Lexa mentioned what I forgot and I that Archon has a 120 sec CDR (100 with VYR). You can get that down ofcourse, but you need lots of CDR on your gear which replaces other stats and even then you need a piece of gear (Messerschmidt, Ingeom or Orotz) to get it back really fast.

Even then VYR/Archon basically means when you Archon end that you stand still to channel to get back into Archon. Standing still, not the thing that really helps with the speed thing now is it?

As outlined in the post I copied a couple of those classes basically have unlimited mobility and I tried to explain that we do NOT.

And if I like Archon is not the point (I’m more tired of it, but that’s beside the point). It should NOT be neccessary to have to change your ENTIRE build to an Archon/Vyr setup because we also need to do some speedruns and STILL fall behind even if we do.

Passives for speed besides Illusionist? Damn, I’ve been away longer then I thought then if Wizard have new/reworked passives.

No we do NOT have an high effective range. If you have a Wizard and keep up in a party doing speed runs it’s not that you are fast, they are slow.

And ofcourse they don’t balance for speed, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t see a problem with the Wizards mobilty. Well, you don’t, but a lot of us do.

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I don’t play too much Necro and I just tested Blood Rush VS Teleport in a few areas with walls and obstacles like

  • Southern Highlands
  • Cathedral
  • Cave of the Moon Clan
  • Caldeum Hideout
  • Bastion’s Keep
  • Ruins of Covos
  • etc

and I did not notice any difference in where Blood Rush’s pathing is better than the one of Teleport.

The Necro also gets stuck on the same things that the Wizard does when using their Movement skills, so can you give me a few examples?

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They can’t because they are the same with any potential pathing issues.

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This isn’t the case. The only time I have trouble keeping up with speed runs as a wizard is when it’s against a super speed build variation for GoD DH or WW Barb on open maps. If it’s a wall/maze map then it’s easy to keep up if all I do is teleport around. This is with non-archon aetherwalker and archon v r builds.

Again, this shows that the problem isn’t teleport. It’s the damage skill mechanics.

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Well, screen clearing capability is a problem also I’d say as we’re not really living up to our ‘living artillery’ status, well perhaps a single gun instead of the MRLS we need to be. Another thing imo is that we have hardly any skill that you can cast while moving. Explosive Blast comes to mind. Any others?

But even if we had some kind of build that could vaporise a screen like for instance a DH can, then I’d still say our mobility needs work.

Disregarding any new mobility options I think we’re unlikely to get, at this moment if you want infinite TP you need infinite AP which essentially means that our screen clearing skill actually needs to hit stuff to get APOC (both to keep spamming our screen clearing skill and TP). Picture however you are in a party with one or more others that also have screen clearing skills. If you stick together there is a good chance that there will be times you hit nothing (especially if our mobility stays at is), but you’re still draining AP and if that happens to often then you will inevitable get stranded starved of AP.

When I played I really liked the Explosive Build blast as I though it’s really fluent. Just start the sequence, numlock it and the only thing you have to is run/teleport to where you want to go (it’s basically how all our class sets should work instead of our usually juggling mechanics that’s another subject). I’ve had it happen often enough though that I had nothing to hit, because my faster party members had already killed everything on route leaving my pretty soon with to little AP to be able to keep EB and TP up.

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Other classes don’t have unlimited mobility, at least not without a cost, requirement to be sustain at combat or covering a deep weakness in their nature. You’re exaggerating.

As a Wizard, you have high range, homing projectiles, burst area damage, mass crowd control options and tons of absorb or self buffs. Why exactly lacking mobility for a T16 speed build means to you? If you don’t like Archon, Teleport and Aether, all three, you’re out of luck.

It’s not infinite Dash. For Raiment, you have to have 75 Spirit to sustain it, read the tooltips. Also for keeping Jawbreaker legendary sustained you need crowd control to keep enemies at bay. Exaggerating won’t shade anything. It’s just one, two spec of an entire class.

If you wanna go that mile Falling Swords of Crusaders have an insane mobility as well but I don’t remember they could sustain it for too long out of combat. If you want to go back to square one and complain about Manajuma or Steed Sets, they are 2-piece and forced to be equipped while you have Aether Walker cubed only holding one slot.

You don’t have to, nor entitled to use Vyr to include Archon in your build. If you don’t like teleport, you have no other option other than using Archon. Irrelevant if you hate it, don’t like it or would leave rude comments under their social media profiles if they were real.

And I told you several times that it’s not a big deal as your highest level builds don’t even utilize high mobility skills if you cared to check it.

You have high range area damage or homing projectiles on most of your major builds. Compare yourself to Witch Docs or any other melee combat build such as Monks, Barbarians and Crusaders.

Passives for a substitute to Archon’s benefits, also known as crowd control negator; Illusionist is one Unwavering Will is another but not mandatory yet can be exchanged for.
If you pick Archon Teleport without Vyr’s you’re not missing much when you can stuff your equipment with free Archon stack granting legendary items. You’re not missing much when you completely skip Archon for the sake of Teleport or mass crowd control/debuff either.

Keep telling yourself that, perhaps I can not convince you in anyway. There are speedbuild specs, dedicated to storm through the bounties, rifts, and any regular class spec can not catch them in a few years if they tried. You keep skipping small details to exaggerate, misrepresent everything and refuse to do a proper comparison by your own logic.