Barbarians Unite Pls. Nice People spotted :)

So, I already am. So is Rage.

So is the entire Barb community who contributed to the proposal, publicized it, and got buffs secured.

But not you, mah dude.

Lay your weary charts to rest and skedaddle.

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Hey bud glad to see you are doing well! Hopefully you come back when D4 gets here. Also that guy is still around ploughing things. :joy:

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Why does he talks like a comic book villain?

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See Barbarian Buff Proposal

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Hadd I loled to your last two reply.

Gold… :slight_smile:

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You can consider it inaccurate and offensive, however, science and math use examples like this is disprove things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

You are using two completely different situations. In a season, the paragon numbers are going to be smaller than what is possible in a non-season due to time restrictions. SInce you are using the two together, I can use the century past slavery vs modern low income as they are similar problems (low quality of life), just I am ignoring the underlying actual problem of modern life by doing so.

So, once again, why is there the comparison of non-season numbers vs season 18 numbers and even worse, a PTR where there are high legendary drop rates that further muddle the numbers? A rule in science is to use only highly controlled and minimally complex of tests.

The same logic of absurdity was used in the medical example. Bias for a prefered answer by using only the most optimal results. In most argument theories, distracting is a sign of a weak argument and attempt to avoid losing.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/61/Avoiding-the-Issue

You making claims and comments not related to the argument makes the implication that you are trying to avoid arguments that show you have a weak or outright wrong argument.

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Glad to hear things are good brother, sounds like you’ve got a lot on your plate!

Same old same old on the trolling, those people are just thirsty for attention.

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Micro keeps getting called out on his rubbish, because he keeps trying to pass off his, and other peoples, thoughts and feelings as facts.

He has hung his hat on WW/Rend being OP because ONE person done a 140, and THINKS it can go higher.

Only problem is he keeps ignoring the actual facts:

  1. That the person in question didn’t go higher. FACT

  2. Nobody else went higher. FACT

  3. Nobody else even got close to 140. FACT

Again, if you need 10K Paragon to do GR140, then the build is not OP.

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Some players just can’t imagine that any other than Wizard or Necromancer class can clear a 140-144 GR solo, so they do anything they can to prevent it, by saying the build is OP, outlier or stuff like that.

Where were these people when chantodo’s vyr’s was clearing 138-142 GR for the last 2 seasons?!

Have you seen any:

Archon Vyr’s Chantodo’s speed running GR150 Pls nerf

or

Nerf Archon build it’s OP

or

Nerf chantodo’s it’s breaking the balance

or

Necro cleared 140 GR, Pls nerf

threads before PTR went live?!

So don’t expect barbs to be calm and agree with any nerfs when they were the WORST DPS class for years…

The PTR buffs if anything are still too low at least for Fjord Cutter and Remorseless…

WW Rend build is just fine and doesn’t need to be changed nerfed in any way at all…

PS.

Post copied from Barb Nerf = No S19 thread…

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I firmly disagree with you on that.

WW Rend does need some change, yet not the way the trolls want.

We still need Skorn to provide some Rend legendary power, such as all runes or increased damage.

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There I corrected myself.

I though that it was obvious that by change I meant any nerfs.

I wouldn’t mind if lamentation got buffed from current 150-200% (from PTR) to 300% or increase the damage of Whirlwind on Skull Grasp to 700-800%.

PS.

I have my own vision of how I would like to see Skorn redesigned, but I bet it will never happen, cause it would require a lot of coding and would probably be way too hard to add to the game anyway…

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I strongly believe that 2H playstyle should receive additional love from the Devs, simply because I want to rip foes apart with a big, bloody battle axe

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There have been multiple threads to nerf wizards. Some have specifically discussed bazooka (e.g. the last PTR) and other more in general about wizards.

A nerf to necromancers thorns was requested by a “leading” necromancer Lord Fluffy in the necromancer forum on August 27.

Later in LordFluffy’s thread:

EDIT: You can add this:

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So, some nerfs are okay, interesting…

I mean “your suggestions are spot on” does include a nerf to thorns necro, essentially it’s it’s okay to tune down an outliner and buff other builds to reach that level.

Now, at this point we know the “barb” community will keep on pushing this build forward, to have it at the same powerlevel as the ptr. The best scenario would be to have it balanced before the patch hits, be the strongest sure, but atleast not an extreme outliner.

Imo, they should bring on a nerf to star pact rune (because the other runes are more or less okay), and focus on the lower bar builds to get closer. That seems like a much easier task which gives everyone what they want, their favorite build, more or less usefull.

Ofcourse, you could go the other route and un-nerf everything, meaning that the now functional builds, linger around the 140 mark will have to get buffed aswell. But given blizzards trackrecord on keeping everything within a reasonable timeframe, does not give me hope that they will be able to (i mean how long did it take for you to recieve buffs?)

But, whatever happens, ww barb will be much stronger than it is now, and it will not change my opinion on whether i will play it or not.

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Would you look at that, someone providing evidence and facts, not thoughts and feelings.

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Do you not see the difference in those threads that you linked about nerfs to wizards and necro, and what you and others are trying to do with the nerf barb threads/posts?

If you can’t then you are truly hopeless…

They are asking for nerfs/changes to promote and or buff other builds within the class.

They are not crying about another class and what that class can clear. They feel those builds are bad for the overall health of their class. It’s coming from a different place…a love for their class. Not from a place of pettiness or personal justification.

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This almost sounds like a Strawman argument.

Do you remember how many people complained when the Necro just released and was pretty OP? A lot of people wanted the necro to be nerfed. Same for the Lightning Hydra Wizard that was once popular. And I think I also remember that there were people asking for Chantodos to be nerfed in one way or another.

And besides that there are always those who want more balance in general.

I honestly don’t know where “all these people are coming from and now suddenly want Barbarians to be nerfed” as you say, or if this is even objectively correct, but to suggest that no one ever wanted OP Necro or Wizard builds to be nerft is not accurate.

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Fair enough I give you that, but what about any nerf wizards thread? I don’t think there were any, just some forum posters mocking wizards by calling them archon and Blizz favourite new pet or class…

Sure there were people who didn’t like that it was the most popular build besides bazooka maybe, but I don’t remember seeing any threads specifically asking for a nerf, if there were any than please post some…

Yet again even though I didn’t like the playstyle of archon chantodo’s still I never asked for it to be nerfed nor any other build in fact even if the playstyle was boring, annoying, horrible.

I just prefer to buff underperforming classes and their sets, supporting items better. At least it doesn’t create divisions llke nerfs do especially if asked to a class that has been ignored and left in the dust as a Damage dealer for years…

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Thought it was the general sentiment that wizards needs a nerf?

I mean Twister wiz was nerfed.

Firebirds was nerfed.

Manald heal was nerfed.

Chantadoo was nerfed.

Safe to say, they got their fair share of nerfs throughout the years, usually after a lot of public outcry. Sure some of them were exploits, but others like manald heal was just a pure power nerf.

Not trying to get into an argument with you but couldn’t help replying to this :slight_smile:

Thought is was general sentiment the wizard should always be the top or one of the top dps dealers :wink:
Edit#1 just poking fun

When was the last time you could say barb was the top damage dealer??
Edit#2 meant to be rhetorical

For the record I was not in favor of any of those nerfs, except for maybe the exploit, but even then I really could have cared less either way.

Edit#3 more just poking fun than actually trying to make an argument :smile:

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