And who are you, exactly, to even ask that question? Because some of us that still are trying to get thru that dense corrosion of minds have been advocating for barbs and buffs for YEARS. I ran highest upvoted threads on ptrs. There is several buffs that I have worked my behind for. The most comprehensive analysis of power class in this game was done by Prokahn, several times. Free, Proey, myself and few others have been the Ear off Class Forum for years, and here is the best part, we have thousands of hours of strictly barb play.
I will ask you again, who are you exactly to ask the question if it makes sense for barb to be good dps (because it will not be #1 anyways)? Because I think there is few guys here that would like to have (S)word with you, because for years they have been neglected to team cheerleaders or forced to abuse mechanics to get clears that were still 5+ levels below other classes.
I am a member of the forum. Forum posters are allowed to ask questions.
Did you inspect darkpatator gear yourself or did you look the comments that darkpatator made about the 140 clear? He did not have all his gear augmented as you claim because he used a non-ancient shoulder. He did not have FoT equipped, etcâŚ
He discusses why this build will go several GR higher.
Youâre so stuck to the âwithin 24 hoursâ for some reason. Did you play the PTR? There is a copy button that copies your entire account. Use some dam common sense.
Extent of the buff? Someone with 10.5k paragon, all 130+ augs, 150 gems, top tier map, conduit and power pylon did 140 with only 50 seconds left. MAYBE 141 can be done. That is the extent.
Excluding wizards? What even are your questions? Necro is close, DH is close, WD is close, and sader is close. Iâve shown you this multiple times.
Even if it was the case (Barb as #1 DPS) it makes perfect sense because we have been neglected for years and Barb deserves to be strong solo DPS Class.
Now, since your question was answered, can you please go away?
I have no problem with barbs #1 just the possible gap to #2. I have made this point clear.
Genuine question for you, Free, Roidraged, Prokahn, Gasnick, etcâŚ:
If barbs are 3 GRs above the second best class in patch 2.6.7 live non-season version, would you endorse/support a nerf to bring them done a couple of rifts later?
Can you explain to me where his rationale is incorrect in your opinion?
The ironic thing is the #1 barb player in the current era in the America/EU/Asia regions and presumably a member of the barb community is calling for a nerf to bazooka wiz, a build he considers OP. I guess there is heterogeneity in opinions. He considers the ww/rend to be equally powerful to something that he think should be nerfed.
Going to take a break from this thread. Going to watch the opening ceremony and Mythic stage panels.
You said discuss. I saw those posts. A few one liners doesnât constitute a discussion in my mind. Honestly, whoâs to say he wouldâve done higher with fot? Most people donât have a well rolled fot. His hellfire was perfect + a 5th passive. He would be doing consistently lower damage with fot.
Fot wouldâve saved him a few seconds with the conduit pylon. He grouped up elites and used the pylons to get them down. The rest of the time was spent grouping and searching. FOT wouldnât have done much good when heâs just grouping and searching.
He thinks barb is on par with bazooka build. Thatâs what he claimed. That isnât even remotely true.
He died on that 140 with grotesque and zombies. The rest of the time his health was fluctuating A LOT. The build doesnât have the toughness to go higher and it doesnât have room to sacrifice anything for toughness.
I can see 141, but not 142. Heâll just die a bunch.
Below his 140 clear was a 138 clear from a person over 9k paragon. He claimed 144 was possible. The difference between 138 and 144 is huge. That person shouldâve cleared 138 so much faster, but they didnât.
Other people wouldâve done 140 if the build was 144 capable, but the didnât. Thatâs the truth.
The problem with your assertion is how many of the big barb players pushed the PTR. Using worldwide leaderboards, I could only find 5 names in the top 40. The big barbs such as ulmaguest did not push. Morevoer, barbs were told on the forum not to push.
Youâve just prove that you hate barbs or just suck at playing with them and only use them as zDPS builds for META.
You have only 3 barbs two zDPS builds and one âDPSâ Might of the Earth + Bul-Katos Oath swords set build with 634,529 Damage without a single legendary gem equippedâŚ
Anyone can check it in D3PlannerâŚ
I would rather make sure that other classes that are behind by more than 3 GRs could be buffed to be either 3 GRs behind barb, almost equal to barb or even if possible 2 or 3 GR above, to keep at least 3 GR or max 5GRs difference between all classes, not 10 or 15âŚ
Another post that makes no sense at all. Who are you to tell how anyone should play their game?
Just because Ulmaguest didnât push doesnât mean everyone else donâtâŚ
Please tell me who said that barbs are only good for zDPS builds for META and arenât allowed to push highier GRs, cause it looks like something youâve just made up out of thin airâŚ
EVERY class deserves to have 1 or 2 builds for pushing highiest GRs in game, not just Wizards, NecromancersâŚ
Monks and Barbs and other classes should also have DPS builds capable of soloing 138-142 GRs or even to have a spot in META groups even if only with one META build per class with Damage dealing buildsâŚ
STOP telling what other than Wizards or Necromancers classes can do or are allowed and what not, cause you or no one else have the right to do itâŚ
Barbs been used as support slaves for years itâs time for a change and honestly as a DH player I wonât mind if theyâre 10 GRs ahead of me. I still wonât ask to nerf them I rather ask devs to buff other DH class sets like Natalya or Marauder sets and their supporting legendaries.
I would even ask for a bigger buff to Yangâs and DML, to be able to make a 100+ GR LoD build with Mutishot tooâŚ
I wonât ask for any nerfs, cause I suck at playing any other classesâŚ
Really. Why would I have a legenday gem equipped if that is not the class I played most recently? How many characters do I currently have with legendary gems equipped? I think the answer is 1, because I store my gems in my stash.
I play all classes. I do not play much barb or wizards or crusader. The last time I checked barbs were @5% of my play time which is hundreds of hours, demon hunter and witch doctors were in the 30% range. I already posted the breakdown of my relative class time. I have nothing to hide, but thanks for sharing.
If you look at my gear, you will notice that some characters are hodgepodges based on my stash being full and moving things around. This is especially relevant for rings/amulets.
Not the way it works, when I was pushing for Invoker buffs for 2-3 years the continual buffing gave me hope they would buff the set. Guess what, for whatever reason the development team buffed it.
So no one can have anything âfunâ because it may detract form the fun of others? Thatâs actually crazy, and in terms of ideology it stinks.
Iâd like equality of opportunity as opposed to your model of equality of outcome.
Your thinking in regards to this isnât based in reality relative to this games structure. Such a deep flaw in your logic is going to (and does) invalidate your arguments, same as in GD.
Because nerfing the outlier builds doesnât fix the issues keeping those average builds average. It doesnât do anything except lower the bar for others. Thats why smart players donât ask for nerfs in this game; they recognize the structure and realize that gutting one build wonât suddenly make their build more fun. It can also cause harm; if a build that is âopâ is nerfed and people canât get the same level augments/gems etc. it creates an actual power gap that is artificial.
Lowest common denominator only sees a gain for itself in the loss of something for someone else. Thank you for illistrating this so very,very well as per usual on this sort of topic Clue.
Do you know how much play time you need to get even get over 5k paragon? Anyone with 5k paragon is proficient in most, if not all classes. This isnât a high skill cap game. It doesnât take a whole lot to put a build together and learn how it plays.
Iâve played high skill cap pvp games. Iâve lead a top guild on the server before. Iâve had to bandage my fingers from practicing and grinding. This just isnât one of those games.
Youâre under the impression that a player can clear 5 grs higher from just skill alone when that isnât the case. Yes, there are different levels of skill, but comparatively the different levels of skill has less to do with high gr clears than gear and paragon.
Instead of skill based, itâs knowing what to do in grâs with all the variable grâs give you. That comes from experience and can be applied to all classes.
There were many high paragon players that pushed with the build and didnât achieve anything close the mark your suggesting.
I even pushed with the build. It still takes paragon, good gear and augments to get anywhere with the build. Iâve done 118/119 with my crusader at 1300 paragon. I couldnât do 120 at 1775 paragon with barb. I had a few less augments, but still. I made a lot of attempts too. I couldnât just walk in and get that high and thatâs the point.
If it was on par with chant or bazooka than you could do that. Those builds easily get to 120 and beyond. As much as you like to think. Barb isnât there.
The only reason it feels âopâ is due to how weak it was before. Most people are capped around gr 80-90 with ww barb on live. compared to the possibility of doing 140. Itâs a big change, thatâs what people are noticing. They notice how much power difference, but if you compare it to other classes, youâll see itâs finally on par with them.
