Levelling an accusation against an account with 21+ hours played per day for four and a half months straight doesn’t sound unreasonable to me.
It’s based on there being almost no humans that can survive on under three hours sleep a night for months on end.
It is when you have no proof other than pure conjecture.
Says you. Two people just told you that its not impossible. There are many people who fall into this bucket. Considering every single theory you’ve developed has been from the first thing you found on Google… you’d do yourself well to continue your search and you’d discover these facts. Pretending you’re the absolute on what is medically possible without having any education in the field is ridiculous. Google University does not distribute accredited degrees.
To be fair to you, is it possible that these people were botting? Yes, it is possible. Is it also possible that these people are legit players and neither you nor I know or understand how they accomplished this? Yes, it is possible.
Maybe it’s not entirely impossible thought that could survive with a couple hours of sleep a day. But here’s the thing, if they’re playing 21+h/day, they have to squeeze all other life necessities into that under 3 hour period for months and months. That’s many other things besides sleep.
Could one theoretically play 21+h/day for months legit? Maybe. But how likely it is in practice? Extremely, EXTREMELY, unlikely.
People shouldn’t argue what is or isn’t theoretically possible but rather what is the most likely scenario. In the case of these 21+h/day players it is cheating, with more than 99.9999% certainty. That still leaves room for those very unlikely extremes.
As necessities goes, not really. Eating. That’s what you must do, everything else is optional. As for the rest of it, sure, it is unlikely anyone does that legit.
What sample sizes it is based? To date, 3rd world countries are filled with hard labourers who works 16-18 hrs per day. John Harris YouTube documentary on world cup 2022 mention hard labours works 20 hr shifts per day. Many have been tortured to deaths, larger proportion lived.
Illegal immigrants and less fortunate in US or any 1st world counties works similar hours to provide.
Last year sometime a young 19 yo girl asked for help on reddit/financial subreddit who works and travels for 20 hrs a day on $1.88 hourly rate. I remember her clearly as it’s bizarre to see US citizens suffer so greatly. She moved from Wisconsin to LA from a family of 4 generations suffering from poverty and hoping to make life changes. From time of posting she has been in that state for 2 years.
Again you have no evidence, only speculations based on confirmation bias. Same as those after 2k paragon, how come there isn’t a primal dropped already, drop rate must be ninja nerfed type of comments.
Totally agree 100%. But to issue a ban on cheating in responsible gaming comoanies, you can’t base on possibility or 99.99% likelihood. Its beyond doubt.
True. Which is why I personally don’t call for automatic bans to players who have these very questionable play times. But I do want them thoroughly investigated. Having so many, many people clocking 21+h/day is not normal by any definition.
Is it likely? Oh, probably so! The problem lies in that there are so many factors none of us know. People who game all day long have systems in place to facilitate certain needs. I know one guy who’s wife waits on him hand and foot. He only steps away to go to the bathroom. In that time, the game won’t time out. He was accused of cheating but never banned because not only was he not cheating, there was no proof that he was. There was only “He plays a lot.” I’m the type of person who tries my best to get a full 8 hours of sleep. I’ve been this way for over 20 years. He used to poke fun at me, going on about how “nobody needs that much sleep, they only think they do”.
Some of us may seem alarmed at the extremes some people will go to but those people are not quite as uncommon as we’d like to think they are.
Bottom line is if you really do think the person is cheating, just report them and leave it at that. Let the system do it’s thing.
Correct! It isn’t normal at all. Even if it’s an outlier, it’s still not enough to damn someone.
Ofc. He keeps posting based on the sleep requirements theory to a point it’s becoming a subjective debate whether people agrees with his sleep theory over objectively demanding such as investigations.
However minute the possibility is, there always will be some extremely unique situations that’s beyond imaginations though.
End of day, Blizzard reserves their rights on anything. ToS/EULA merely states their rights are reserved, not guarantees action is taken. Even if all these are proven cheating, it doesn’t guarantee a ban if Blizzard has other considerations. Whether we accept it or not is individual’s problem.
only 9500? The top monk in EU is over 11k I think.
Im shooting for 5k. Most of my friends who stuck with it are starting to surpass that now.
Highest Paragon (Season) in EU is 12.5k, in CN 13.8k, in NA 12.1k, Asia 13.4k.
I didn’t claim impossible.
I said almost none, i.e. incredibly unlikely.
Again we’re back to things that are possible, but highly improbable.
I said it was highly probable they were cheating, i.e. botting and/or account sharing.
Yes, it’s possible but it’s also incredibly improbable.
Your implications are that they’re impossible. That’s why you never get off the case of “can’t live without X sleep…” etc.
That has not always been your stance. You’ve said more than once that they were bona fide cheaters.
Even stating “improbable”, how do you really know that? There are so many factors that can come into play where you do not even know the % of probability including standard deviation.
This. They can plain as day choose not to take action against someone who clearly violated the terms of service. You can see examples of this in all areas of their business. They allowed the desk dashers to happen. They allow shills and sycophants to freely call anyone who posts doubts in their company all kinds of derogatory names with 0 repercussion (see CS forums). There are people who posted videos of themselves cheating on Youtube (not demonstrations) and were not banned because they’ve advertised for the company. Some forget the bureaucratic aspect of it.
Don’t be silly; let’s not pretend that this isn’t cheating. Not long ago you in my thread and where I accused of being incoherent and ridiculous & here you are doing more of the same here.
What, you call this sentence coherent? “not long ago you in my thread where i accused of…”
The problem is we really do not know for a sure who is or who isn’t cheating. We can only create a hypothesis based solely on conjecture. I’ve been gaming longer than some here have even been alive and it’s crazy the ways people get accused of cheating when they were just smarter than those around them.
Are some of these people cheating? Oh, for sure they are… people cheat in any game. The point being, we can’t just point at someone and say “Yes, they’re guilty” because we do not know.
EDIT: And I’ve dealt with plenty who believed they were absolutely sure someone was a cheater but were wrong. If I had a nickel for every one of those people, I could buy you a carton of 2023 eggs.
I get people reaching 8-9k doing that legitimately at this season even solo but I’m not entirely sure about 10-11k accounts. These look like they need proper planning and group play to reach there. If they did it legit, then kudos to them; finding 3 other likeminded players to play with due hourly differences in this global world is rather hard. Without being fully pooled, this whole thing becomes a drag and you can lose all in the slightest slip.
Also what if people pointing fingers? Half of the time they appear to be right at the very end of the season. These are all just for laughs. Anyone can compare Hardcore leaderboards and estimate what’s possible with the current season after all.
True, but it certainly plant a seed of doubt. 
No. Not once have I asserted that. I have repeatedly stated that I believe it to be extremely likely that they’re cheaters. Once again, you’re strawmanning against positions I’ve not taken.
How smart does someone have to get to be able to function on under 3 hours sleep a night?