With all the respect.
I didn’t know about this poll until i joined this forum and i would not consider myself as a supporter of ploot. In addition i didn’t take part in that poll to this day. My choice, my decision not to, all good. I am not complaining.
But let’s get back to my original question…
"How much can you take that into consideration when it comes to the decision?"
Sampling bias is simply not applicable here because neither side got an disadvantage here. The fact that people need to know about doesn’t put any side on the back foot. The fact that people had to make the choice to cast their vote, also doesn’t put neither side on the back foot.
The fact that appr. 9000 people casted their vote also doesn’t give me a good enough reason to consider this poll in the decision making.
First of all, I haven’t said anything in regards to the respec argument except to point out your stance is based on a faulty premise. I don’t particularly care either way, except that I don’t think you should be able to get infinite respecs in an easy way. However, there has to be enough that you aren’t punished for a couple build errors here or there.
Second of all, you guys have a definition of casual lately that is absolutely bonkers.
I’ve already addressed my mention of New World twice.
D2 is not a difficult game. I don’t need it to be any easier than it is, thanks.
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this is also true.
but if you see some of the questions its clearly that people that answered that played d2 didn’t even end the game by his own hands.
Thats the other thing of D2R when it launches there will no rushes to hell instantly
Please see table below to understand how adding an optional personal loot system mitigates the effects of botter/pickit cheats/ninja looters.
|
Good items collected FFA loot |
|
Good items collected personal loot |
|
| 8 Player Game |
All Bots |
All legitimate players |
All Bots |
All legitmate players |
| 1 bot, 7 legitimate players |
The majority |
A minority |
12.5% |
87.5% |
| 7 bots, 1 legitimate player |
Almost all |
Almost nothing |
87.5% |
12.5% |
Personal loot mitigates the adverse effects of bots.
Note: The percentages shown in the table are expected frequencies that will have binomial variance.
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I self identity as microna. A rock in a pile of dirt.
While I’m not in favor of immunities in new games, I don’t think removing them in D2 is a good idea. Nor have I said anything about unsocketing, and I’m certainly not in favor of a bunch of drop rate increases.
You’re making the mistake of assigning to me all sorts of things I’ve never endorsed, just because I made a singular comment. Stop it, please.
This can be discarded completly if the loot distribution becomes optional.
doesnt mitigate anything if you are running with a 99 full geared bot. in fact you are taking advantage of going with him.
Changing loot system won’t affect the bots. Because most of them are in public games to advertise the webpage where you can buy the stuff, you are naive if you think that they don’t do private games with exact same method. They can be 24 hs straight playing in the most efficient way. so if they farm experience they put 8 bots on the same party and problem solved.
Most of bots are top tier equipment so who is getting the most rewards? the person that goes with the bot while the bot kills all the monster with ZERO effort providing free loot and exp to the people? or the bot itself that gets the hi loot most of the time while can get it privately?
Sadly most people can’t run a Hell chaos alone or a Hell Baal Run. Changing to aloot only benefits the player going with the bot: free loot (with the possible of a HI loot allocated) with the exp and all and we shouldn’t Benefit from bots. THE BOTS SHOULDN’T BE THERE ON THE FIRST PLACE.
So in short. Bots won’t be affected of the loot system in anyway. Stop bringing this argument because is hilarious
We dont know that. That is what makes the poll unreliable.
9000 is more than enough (many times more) to say what players in general want. We just cant know, due to the potential bias.
But yeah, game design is not a democracy, so just because a majority want X, does not mean X should happen.
Cant conclude that.
Also, for those not knowing about respec, remember that respec is a very new/modern addition to D2. They do not remotely have to be lying about their D2 history. Most people who put thousands of hours into the game never had that option.
Some of us think it was terrible they ever added endless respecs in D2, a much bigger change to what D2 is supposed to be, than anything discussed today.
Speaking of which, some of the rushing exploits definitely should be removed.
i personally have problems with the well known hell chaos run since you can be lvl 1 getting free exp. but if they dont fix that. meh i really dont care
a work around would be if you are no at least X lvl you will not get exp (as it happens with baal minions or ancients)
No that is simply false!
Statistically? yes it can be used since its > 1000 but it represents < 1% of the people who baught the game.
Yes, and polls often ask less than 1/100000 of people. 9000 is a lot, and more than enough.
Which again does not mean this particular poll is useful, since it is not a random sample, nor weighted to reflect one.
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You do not need to sample that many people to have statistically valid results assuming that the sampled individuals represent the population. Typically people want statistically an alpha =0.05 with 80% power. Please use the linked statistical power calculator from before to run the numbers.
Sample Size Calculator - Calculate power & sample size for one-sample, two-sample and k-sample experiments (gigacalculator.com)
I won’t!
I mentioned the reasons above.
You have your reasons.
I provided you an online statistical power calculator to see if you are in fact correct statistically. You can choose to see for yourself or not. I have done this and know the truth.
My point is that sampling bias is not applicable for that poll specifically.
May i just say that i really enjoy talking to you about various topics @MicroRNA because it is done on a respectable level and with dignity.
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It never helps a discussion to insult or make personal attacks. If I critique an argument, I try to make certain is the argument itself or the underlying rationale.
In gaming communities, there will always be some toxicity. I think that things have improved over the past decade. Currently, I have seen pockets, though, of some whose conduct is unbecoming, presumably do to the anonymity of the internet who say things that they would not in real life.
I often try to provide information, quotes and links. On the forum, we can disagree with civility.
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Absolutly! I have no problem in taking a step back and agreeing with you or someone else who is right about a fact. People can be wrong about something and people do mistakes! Respect is important to me and you can only gain respect if you respect others!
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I try to understand how you would like ploot to work in this game so I have questions.
No pun intended I just try to understand your views :
Let’s say in a 8 players ploot party during a Baal run, 2 sorc and a druid with great gear deal 89% of all damage.
Two other players (let’s say a barb and a javazon) can clear act5 all alone in hell but are so slow compared to the 3 best players, and deal 4% damage each.
Two other ones, a bowazon and an assassin, are struggling but try to deal as much damage as they can…
Then a last one, a good geared paladin, who is just leeching xp waiting to hit Baal.
During the run, a Ber, a Shako, a unique ring, a 4 sockets cv, and 2 jewels drop, who gets what?
The javazon and the barb, probably won’t have anything good during the run if the % of damage dealt is taken into consideration,
don’t you think they will leave the multiplayer ploot experience quite easily?
If they get some participation trophies, don’t you think the best players will rather play solo or with a FFA team only, and avoid leechers?
Is there a way that I’m unaware of, in order to make it work?
Have a good day/evening/night/morning people, big kiss