D3 did NOT have smart loot in its early days.
No one cares that you’re splitting hairs over technicals. D3s crappy loot system was to increase Blizzard’s cut of a shoddy means to extra revenue. It was actually worse than D2jsp because the designers of the game were purposeful in ruining design for profit. It has nothing, nothing at all to do with a fair ffa system. If you say otherwise, then you’re simply thick.
The problem is many equate D3 currently with ploot. That neglects things like free trade/restricted trade/BoA, smart loot/non-smart loot, and changes with drop rates over time.
The original loot system overall had super low drop rates where I firmly believe wad related to tbe auction house and free trade.
uh… no they dont. bots are designed to be optimized, why would they cut their mf in eights.
I’d be okay with ploot in D2 if my character saw the full drop that was personally generated for my character, provided you’ve divided the current drop rate for all items by about 8, to make up for the fact that everyone is seeing a full drop.
So instead of you having a 1/8 chance at grabbing something on the ground that has a 1/64 chance of dropping. Now you get the full drop but now it’s 1/512.
I’d also follow the uniques rule. So if some guy gets a Unique Diadem earlier in the run, it will not drop in anyone else’s personal loot for the remainder of that instanced game’s existence. They’d have to restart the game. This means no popping Mephisto and having 3 SoJs drop in the same game.
Runes would stay an ffa drop.
That’s a very rough description of how ploot would exist in my D2R and after about a week of people seeing endless trash and the drops being mathematically identical to current rates they’d be back here whining for /players8. Which is what they’re doing anyway.
For clarity, if on average 1 SoJ drops in hypothetically in 100 8 player FFA games currently you want 1 SoJ to drop in 6,400 8 player ploot games? Or are you suggesting 800 games?
Either way, this is a dramatic decrease in loot drops.
Honestly it never crossed my mind, I’m kind of new to the forum. Done now thank you! Phew. One less galaxy-sized ego with nothing but selfish negative comments to cringe at.
I’m saying if you want the loot drop increase of 8 players but want to have entire drops personalized then you’d bump up the drop rate for a full 8 players accordingly, then divide the drop chance by another 8. This is because you’re seeing a full drop no one else can see, and this process is happening 7x more times for the 7 other players.
To offset personalized loot being anything other than Increased drop rates you’d have to make a 1/64 drop into a 1/512.
So yes. To answer your questions bluntly.
If it’s 1/800 ffa games for an SoJ drop, then it’s also 1/800 ploot games because the ploot games are generating the loot of 6,400 ffa games in the same time, the drop rate must be divided by 8 to bring it back into balance.
The way people are envisioning ploot is no change at all in total drops. If currently Baal as an example drops 5 items in an FFA game with 8 players as determined by the game’s algirithm, the same 5 items total will drop in an 8 player iloot/tloot game.
Total drop do not change. In either scenario there are only 5 items and 3 olayers will get nothing.
Yes this is the leechers dream. It’s probably the worst incarnation of ploot because of another player being given something they wouldn’t have otherwise picked up, then leaving the game. No one is sticking around and asking if anyone needs it.
This is especially true if it’s Chaos or Baal xp runs. This means your odds are even worse than before. With that system you could go years and years without seeing a HR.
Sorry, that system sucks.
Seeing is not the same thing as collecting.
If players have similar speed in collecting items in a group, the distribution of coveted/collected items would be similar with FFA loot and the alternate ploot.
There is a reason that slot machines go bonkers when they pay out. It is to deceive others by seeing and not realizing that seeing does not mean winning.
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That’s not greed. That’s an agreed upon loot division format everyone in the party wants. You don’t have to be part of it if you don’t want to. You still have no comprehension of this. It’s bizarre.
To add, ploot items (or timed loot) items are still tradeable.
ploot does not mean account bound.
Eh, bad analogy because in ffa, when that slot machine goes off and I run over to it first or superscede your positioning, those winnings are now my winnings. So seeing can absolutely lead to winning. You’re not allowed to kick someone off their machine irl.
I assume you meant ffa, because you don’t see other’s personalized loot drops at all unless they purposefully tell you.
Exactly because in real life, we know that is not fair. FFA is a bad system.
P.S. In FFA games, it gives the illusion of more drop because most players think they are abive average skill.
No, because in real life I’m not putting in money and time on that same machine simultaneously. So that’s why the analogy doesn’t work.
Ffa is more like a Bingo tournament than a slot machine. We’re all sitting down, we all have randomized boards. We’re all investing our time and awareness. Anyone can win, it’s a ffa. The system is perfectly fine.
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What you just described is ploot. Each player has a random chance at winning. Anyone can win in ploot.
With FFA loot, the odds can be stacked against a player winning. For example, if I play with a controller, the others in game are at a serious disadvantage when Baal drops his items.
Ahhhh keep the salt comming… iam her to get ALL your tears.
No p8 for you online.
No ploot for you in public games.
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Since Rod teeeted on September 16, 2021 his/Blizzard’s plan to discuss timed loot after D2R shipped, I am ok with that.
Ploot =/= timed loot
Needless to say, Blizzard had other things come up at/after launch that were higher priority. Once ladder happens and things settle down, it might makes sense for this discussion.
Facts > 
Its like kids. They get the answer no over and over, but keep asking, then they get told we talk about it later…
We all know what it means… You just keep living in a Dream. sooner you get out of the drream. the sooner you will se the light
FACTS
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