It doesn’t make sense for American streamers to spend only a few thousand dollars and criticize it as a social experiment or a gamble.
One of the Korean streamers I see has already spent $20,000, and the other has spent $10,000. They enjoy immortals, and they do not call it a social experiment, nor a gamble.
Many other Korean streamers have spent thousands of dollars, and just yesterday, a few streamers started Immortal and spent hundreds of dollars in 2-3 hours. They never said it was big money.
In fact, South Korea is suspicious of the US response. Why are you making so much noise?
I dont think average american have a lot of money. Average european usualyhave a lot better healthcare and more money in general than people in US i would say.
Also just because something has certain price and you can easily afford it obviously doesnt mean that price is ok.
Steamers use money they were basicly given by peoplewho watch them.dont take streamer as normal player.
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Plus, only a few thousand, up to $20k. That to me is a hellscape of a game then, that’s so much money for pixels.
It won’t stop, that 20k covers like 200k players, just throwing out numbers but I can’t imagine it’s the nickle and dime people they are feasting off of. Now the store/mechanic is the focus and go to system controlling and effecting the game…
Bah rant over, just madness to me.
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That’s not true. The United States is a wealthy country with very high personal wealth and income. The income of US civil servants is 2 times that of Korean civil servants. Even ordinary people are very different. Americans are rich.
Fair but there are 20.27 million millionaires in the unites states, South Korea has a population of 52 million people.
Population % matters.
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The issue isn’t so much how much money people are able and/or willing to spend on video games. The issue is that pay-to-win heavily incentivizes predatory practices, and intentionally making your game worse in order to sell stuff to solve the issues.
For example, PoE sells various stash tabs to its player base. What we saw happen with it was the clearly intentional cluttering of stash space through the multiplication of stuff you need to set aside. And PoE markets itself as ethical never-pay-to-win free-to-play (with many defending that marketing as true). 
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we live paycheck to paycheck in north america, we aint gots the mulla
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some people seem to not use their brain a lot… right OP?
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because they understand the american gamer. we don’t take our games as serious as koreans. never have, never will. we have only contempt for “whales” that pay thousands of dollars for in-game glitter-glam.
the american streamers, if they acted like the korean streamers, would not be streamers for very long. i don’t want to watch some rich jerk spending thousands of dollars every few minutes doing things in the game while i’m struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on.
most americans don’t actually “have a lot of money” and it’s insulting when it’s just assumed we do.
i don’t know why south korea would be suspicious of the american response. it’s the same response we have for every “pay to win” game that comes out. it’s not unique to diablo immortal, we hate them all. but the people who spend thousands of dollars bring more money to the corporations than those of us who don’t, so that’s the kind of games that get made.
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i dont think the point is Y doing what ever Y want with his/her money
i think the point is that X is trying to squeeze every single penny of Y
is it illegal? hell no
is it immoral? youre gddamn right
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South korea has been kept wealthy by America since the korean war.
They owe USA everything. We gave them our troops, missiles, planes, EVERYTHING, WE GAVE YOU THE AMERICAN WAR MACHINE.
How much money do americans have to blow on south korea before your happy… I think we should pack it up personally… Its costed me way to much in tax dollars to worry about a peninsula on the other side of the world were both sides just want to kill each other with bombs and bullets.
And to show your respect to America for keeping your ancestors alive so you can be born , you want to criticize how we spend money…
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Thats why you have towns with hords of people without home? And extremely expensive healthcare?
Yes very small % of people in us is wealthy. I dont think that can be said about rest.
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sources? Most Americans I know I living check to check. .
The “Country” might be wealthy, but the people are not. And medical costs are through the roof. Unlike these other countries where medical costs are non-existent to the person.
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the 1% are rich. another couple of percent are doin okay…
the vast majority of us are some broke mofos
Im not rich. I payed Cash for my 3600 square foot 7 bedroom 4 bathroom , 2 story Brick home with a full basement with 8 ft ceiling. I live in NY so my property taxes are sky high. I own my car. I work 12 hours a week , 3 four hour shifts in a row, And thats because i really dont need that much money and it gets me out of the house. I dont even need that job.
When people think of a video game as a investment and start blowing money on the character like its some kind of ETF you really lose me.
I made smart decisions with my money. Your diablo character is not a smart decision for putting ANY money into.
And thats why im so mad. I spend more time here in this game than i do at a job and i still cant gear a character. I got like 17 years of verifiable experience playing this game and all of that information can still be searched by spending cash to read all my old post that have been archived and yet im still told that im lying or I suck at the game ETC ETC.
A fool will always part with their money ez.
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That’s what some foreigners don’t get … yes… our income may allow us to live like kings overseas, but in our country we make 100.00 and the cost of having water/power/food/gas/mandatoryinsurance is 150.00
shrug
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Every game i have tried from from Korea is grindy , pay2win garbage, I’m sure they will love DI. Western audience is very different.
Name a game from South Korea that actually had decent success in the west?
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Top is rich, agreed.
Most of us Americans are broke mofos because they make bad choices. Not because of the country we live in. I made good decisions and don’t blow my money on stupid crap like everyone else I know. I literally had an employee who made more than others at her job, had a boyfriend who made even more money than her, got food stamps, food card, WIC vouchers, and help from her parents from time to time. She made more money overall than everyone, including me, and I was her boss/superior. She constantly complained she was broke and had no money despite making more than everyone. It was all because she made bad decisions daily.
I however, made good decisions with less income than her and still manage to marry my high school sweet heart with my own money, payed for my own honeymoon, own both my cars, own my house, still live comfortably, etc and I did it with no one to help me and with a wife and son in tote as well. I started with nothing but a bookbag! No reason someone can’t do it too.
In America, the average person manages money very poorly. That’s why they live paycheck to paycheck. On topic, I would complain because spending $10-20k on a game is insanity.
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I dunno. Maybe we are less cuck-like?
Personally I see anyone with disposable income spending it on a game cashshop as a bad person. There are much better ways to use such money… like charities.
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Because you shouldn’t have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a single video game to succeed in it. What I find crazy is why certain communities seem to have normalized this practice. It’s like y’all have lost the plot that you’re playing a game. A GAME!
It has nothing to do with how much wealth we have. It is the principle of the matter. Pay to Win is wrong. Period. A poor person who puts more effort and skill into the game should do better than a rich person who doesn’t put in the time to get good.
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