Sorry, I dont know how to play. Just to faceroll…
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That’s a pretty sad Baalrun…
Getting the best gear in the game is the chase. Getting things like Grief, Call to Arms, Shako’s, etc… makes you more powerful than just uniques or even rares.
What about D3, it isn’t any better. You chase after paragon non stop to do what farm for keys and the rest to farm GRs to get more paragon to do higher GRs. Even those if done right are not all that challenging. More so in seasons because seasons makes you very powerful compared to non season. The only difference in GRs is damage and life
you are young and havenot grown up on diablo II so you dont have same bond like rest of us do + Diablo II is superior to any other blizz game because its not easy mode everything for free instantly.
If you casual you are not gonna like diablo II its simple as that. and yes you should stick with Diablo III and WoW retail. when blizzrd reads these casuals comments they might come up with their own stupid idea and actually nerf things and kill their last decent game
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You forgot… you still have to beat each GR’s. I say Beat… not faceroll.
D2 Hell is just like GR 70. It’s like everyone can do it. Any Class can do it. Even non-seasonal Class can do it. Dont want to make another Class becoz we all know any Class can beat it. Continue to play it and it would be a faceroll. The game ends at level 85. Period.
On D3, it’s like you would set your goal to the highest you could do. Go for GR125. When you beat it, you want another Class to do the same or even beat it… like Go for GR140. And make another Class to do better GR150. You continue to look for “Better” gear becoz you know what you have is not enough. On D3, we know we cant faceroll it becoz there is GR170, GR 190, GR200, etc.
My experience of D2R was great… I had a blast during the progression. How I wish it took longer. I really want to play it more. But I hate facerolling. Like on Vanilla WoW, once I got Raid gear, the 5-man dungeons became a faceroll. Boring. That’s why I prefer Mythic+ of Retail WoW as its difficulty is infinite. We never faceroll anything on Mythic+ becoz it’s like GR. The difficulty is theoretically infinite which is great.
No, you will not push me to kill myself to get a rare BiS item. I played Black Wing lair for more than 35 weeks and it didnt drop the BiS Weapon for me. While other guilds disenchanted more than 5 of it. RNG is RNG. Getting the BiS is not the goal. Beating the Bosses/hardest mobs/dungeon is the goal. Facerolling is fun on first few runs. Facerolling a content over and over and over… like 200 Nihlathak / Summoner Faceroll Kills and it just dropped 1x Key. ROFL. SO tedious and boring. Sorry, that part of the game is not for me.
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then go back to your game where they buff each set by 15 million times the damage output every season
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Honestly, GR150 is more entertaining than facerolling D2 Hell. And I love The Butcher and Malthael fight… very high movement fights… not tank and spank of D2’s.
Dont worry, I will 100% support D4 to follow D3 RoS’ mechanics… no RMAH… no Ebay… no ninja of loots… and infinite difficulty.
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Simple, like the nostalgic ones or not (I was one of them), Diablo 3 is the EVOLUTION of Diablo 2, which is a masterpiece of the PAST, because today its mechanics are outdated, it is limited, it has one of the worst loots and this I have thought since the time I played in the early 2000s, because it takes time to release unique items and sets and when you release they are already outdated for the level the player is at.
Diablo 3 is indeed superior to Diablo 2 and it is not an opinion, but a fact, cry nostalgic, cry… I LOVE Diablo 2, but I recognize that by today’s standards it is outdated. Diablo 3 just wasn’t valued anymore thanks to Activision / Blizzard who screwed up on its release and burned the game itself.
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Fixed that for you.
Diablo 3 did not bring anything new into the mix, it just dumbed down the formula. It was clearly made by the same people that slowly made WoW into a game that pretty much plays itself.
Fixed that for you… again.
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I do not agree… at least with this blanket statement.
There are situations a player can find getting pushed in… that can’t be handled by that class/build in that moment of time. And I not talk about someone stumbling with to low a level into a level 85 area and then getting stomped by a Rare with Minions that run around fast. One hit and the player get the Amplify Damage curse up… and this is just one example.
But I do agree… if the player plays careful, not running into areas the character played is to low a level… or the player knows that one of the waves at Baal are Magic Immune and the class played a Hammerdin the player can come prepared.
Otherwise how could so many people(myself included) play hardcore and still beat Baal on Hell.
I mean, I went through hell with a budget druid summon build that used a bow. If he can do it…any class/build can.
You’ll be met with a lot of obnoxious fan boys here but from a more objective view D2 is more of a gacha game and appeals to people with gambling addictions which is a lot of D2 players while D3 actually gives a more normal gaming experience with something that resembles an end game. The people who prefer D2’s system are going to be hardcore gamblers or old school purists that live in the stone age or your typical scumbag from D2sjp / botter / hacker that enjoys making profit off this genre (real money).
Obviously D2 is fun at first but you’re right it gets extremely boring and repetitive and there’s no incentive to actually group play other then maybe those 5 waves of baal mobs in his throne room. There’s no ploot or any sort of group friendly mechanics like that - zero reason and the purists sheep are proud of that and only encourage solo play.
D3 on the other hand plays more like a proper game where you have a decently paced game that allows for self found gameplay without having to rely on outside sources (hackers / botters / dupers) like D2 does . Most of the lemmings that play D2 fail to see that the entire economy is based on a lie and cheating.
The other advantage of D3 is the ladder system is actually good they spice things up add random events - you waste a good 60 - 100 hours playing which is basically like buying a F’ing game I don’t understand how people can complaint about getting so many hours out of a game each ladder unless they’re no life losers or gaming addicts. I mean seriously you got your money’s worth go play another game while you wait for a ladder reset lol.
Anyways two completely different games with their pros and cons.
Haven’t gotten bored of D2 in 5000+ hours over 20 years. What can I say, slaying demons and undead in awesome style simply doesn’t get old. At least for me, anyway
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I’m nostalgic for Diablo 2 but honestly find Diablo 3 a better game overall. They are both skinner boxes in the end. It’s whether you like running the exact same boss and monsters 5 billion times (Diablo 2) or running a random assortment of monsters, tilesets, and bosses 5 billion times (Diablo 3), in the end your running something 5 billion times for pixels with the right text on the tool tip.
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D2 is fun but there’s honestly so many games out there that the nostalgia isn’t strong enough to keep me constantly playing when there’s no end game and no one wants to group because everyone wants to solo MF to not get screwed on drops because there’s no Ploot. The servers being split by region makes it even more hard to find games and all there is to find is trade games which gets annoying
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That’s such a narrow view of the game, but I understand, it’s the same view most D2 players have. I don’t blame ya.
The game is fun as a sand box but really the economy is based completely on cheaters so people get this unrealistic view of the game and the majority of unique / legendaries are absolutely useless because of runewords - same with rares. If anything D3 actually has a lot more builds and useful items - with the LoN or gem you can literately make any legendary in game useful given the right balancing too.
The problem with D3 is really there’s a lack of game world end game (something beyond rifts) but at the very least there is an end game and the other problem is probably more game play and game play depth - it would be neat if there was more interesting stats or more awesome looking moves / abilities but I realize D3 is limited by how its made and hopefully D4 expands beyond that. Not to mention that limiting d3 to 4 players and not 8 player games also hurt it a bit - the sweet spot if they have to compromise I think is 6 players.
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I think this right here, hits the nail on the head nicely for me. Whenever someone tries to take a look objectively at Diablo 2 in it’s entirety… there are holes in the game Design of Diablo 2, it is not a “perfect game” by any means, not that there is a perfect game out there.
Calling Diablo 2 a “catcha” game… yeah I think while allot games have drop mechanics, World of Warcraft & the Borderlands games as example, only Diablo 2 manages to create super huge loot tables where you can have literally anything being dropped by anything.
There are limits to who can drop certain higher things, High Runes especially… but… in a game where you can find Normal Uniques in normal difficulty… but in nightmare difficulty those are more common… and in hell difficulty they are even more common to drop.
This goes so far to the point that with enough Magic Find you play hell difficulty and do not even bother to pick up allot unique and set items… because they are from normal and nightmare. While the hell ones are super scarce.
Compare this system with World of Warcraft’s where a certain boss has a loot table of 10 items and he drops 3 each time, or Borderlands where you can possibly farm a certain rare over and over easily… because he will drop a certain unique.
All that said, I do not think that Diablo 2 is mainly played by gullible people that can possibly become gambling addicts. At least all of the people playing and liking Diablo 2.
But you are right… the sad reality in Diablo 2 is, people run to Tristram, and spam 8 player games just Tristram running to level to 15, then they run Act 2 mainly because there is no way to skip it and run Tomb Runs until level 25. Then they join a game where someone rushes them past Act 3 and 4… and then in act 5 they do Anya, the Ancients… and be ready for the Baal runs.
Rinse, lather and repeat for Nightmare and Hell.
And then what? Everyone seems to search some little corner that can be farmed… guided by whatever element immunities the Class can not overcome. Ideally Farm Keys, then call a uber service.
Diablo 2 has enough “plot” but people choose to play solo, skip over it to “level fast” past the whole experience Diablo 2 has to offer. I find it extremely fun to play with a controller. Sadly I don’t find people that play it the way I played it 20 years ago with friends in a LAN… without rushing. Even later we just re-cleared the game on high level characters… even Diablo 2 is more fun together… who would have thought.
Diablo 3 improved on Diablo 2’s system. With the initial release of Diablo 3 and it’s infamous Auction House… the expansion did away with loot drops that where not important for your class… and with that they got rid of pretty much of all the hackers / botters / dupers that plagued Diablo 2… for the past 20 years by now.
And since Diablo 2 Ressurected runs on legacy code… there will be a way for that to happen again.
I not want to attack you, or question you in any way… but there are highly indebted people that lost it all at horse tracks or other gambling alternatives… and they tell the same story you tell here.
The thing you wrote here would perfectly fit within what Nightbane stated:
For me Diablo 2 has allot things I do not like, for starters that there are allot specializations that do not work… even in single player, not to talk about a 8 player Hell game. Only few class/specialization combos can solo do a 8 player hell game given the best gear and the premise to kill everything… and not just do it the Sorceresses way… and skipping past everything she can’t kill… or has to let her Mercenary kill. And yeah… even if you break Immunities with Infinity… a enemy that is now not Immune but has a 99% resistance is still no fun to kill.|
But I digress… I have written too much already. I just hope not too many of those obnoxious fan boys as you call them Nightsbane… see this and sharpen their keyboard to take verbal revenge on me.
Not that I care… we do have Freedom of Speech here, where I reside.
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Honestly, if you think D3 is better than D2 in any aspect… then your opinion is worthless and you have thrown away any rights to comment on the subject.
D2 is objectively better in every aspect.
Facts don’t care about your feelings.
Objectively, this is absolutely incorrect and shows your bias. To disprove you statement, I just need to provide a single counter example.
D3 has a shared stash while D2/D2:LoD did not. D3 is objectively better in that aspect.