bro, you can play ladder. there is no gatekeeping. its like me being upset my character is dead when I played HC but had the option to play SC
The gate keeping is RNGesus and time spent over the course of said ladder. You know they expire, right? If I can’t build the item in the ladder time frame because of life constraints, I’m effectively locked out of EVER building it.
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Hmm…I wonder. Perhaps it might have something to do with the fact I already stated demo starter mode vs full game? Just what oh what could it be, since we are talking on the subject of ladder only content? It’s eluding me at the moment it’s so mysterious the link of why Plugy was mentioned. I just can’t think of it, does it have something to do with unlocking the game’s full content? Nah, that can’t be it…
OH! I got it! Single Player in Legacy didn’t have…LADDER ONLY RUNEWORDS. Nor did it have the Uber Tristram nor Dclone events. Plugy added those into SP, so that players could…what was it? ACCESS THE FULL GAME! As SP in legacy was an unfinished hodgepodge of ladder and non-ladder, it was even worse than non ladder on bnet. Uber keys could drop, but you couldn’t do uber trist, you could use the ladder only cube recipes and get the ladder only uniques, but not the runewords. Pretty sure monsters are ladder only difficulty (as non ladder is mostly just an hp nerf as opposed to full hp).
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maybe the game should just give you free items too. cant let RNG gatekeep you from playing the way you want.
so because a third party made changes to a game that is relevant to what blizzard did/does why?
Are you freaking daft, or just plain dumb?
Choices in legacy = Non-Ladder (Gimped, starter demo mode) Ladder (full game content) Single Player (Unfinished hodgepodge of ladder and non-ladder) Modded Singleplayer (Plugy mod to unlock full game, albeit with certain elements being emulated due to hardcoded AI content).
If you don’t understand that, get off the smoke and drink some coffee.
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They aren’t keeping ladder only. It’s a 3 month lag. Non season gets all ladder recipes once ladder ends.
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I don’t THINK (correct me if I am wrong) that it is exclusive for 1 ladder then gone. I believe it is exclusive to ladder upon being new, then is added to the non-ladder modes with new runewords coming for the next ladder, and so on. Maybe for a few ladders, several, not sure.
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You can make all ladder season 1 items in non ladder the day season 2 starts. Just farm now in non ladder and have the runes/bases ready.
This was confirmed in the Blizz interview with mr llama.
I didn’t say it, you did.
No don’t be honest if it’s such a chore for you, just lie to us like you as teenagers do or wait you’re now in your twenties?
I’m getting too old for games that are ruined by teenagers and twenty somethings.
Leave ladder only alone please.
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That sounds more like a You and many like you issue AKA Cancel culture. “If it dosnt work in my favor you must change it to my real life lifestyle or get rid of it/cancel it”. Get out of here with that crap.
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i do understand that, i just have no idea how thats relevant? so basically d2r made single player friendly so you are assuming they will do …? I dont understand your argument. That we should expect ladder to have no exclusive things because Plugy doesnt? Like how is any of that relevant. I understand the history. Ford also made the model T but that has nothing to do with expectations of ladder having exclusive items
My god, you are dense. I’ll attempt to spell it out.
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You mentioned choices. Legacy official gave you a gimped version of the game vs full game for online capabilities as your choices. Non-Ladder, while retaining the pre-1.10 legacy items, if you had them, did not have a massive amount of the new content 1.10 added.
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Single Player was hodgepodged. Not being either entry mode or full mode. You had to mod the game (or text edit which is still modding the game) to have full game access, even if those edits/mods were not 100% to full game mode.
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D2R at launch removed this distinction, giving the full game between online multiplayer and single player.
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Once ladder starts, there will be new ladder only, but only as timed exclusive. For an unspecified time, new content will be trickled into the game via ladder first, but it won’t be the massive amount of content that provided the illusion of choice for multiplayer in legacy, while giving the single player mode access to these contents as well once the exclusivity period is over (a ladder season).
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The combination of 3 and 4 results in not being a) forced to constantly be locked to timed seasons in order to access most of the content or being stuck being one item/rune away from completing a ladder only item then being stuck in a mode where if you found it, you couldn’t make it and b) forced to mod the game to access most of the content in single player.
Personally, the new ladder runewords might as well just be added to offline, as more-than-likely, the mod community will make it available anyways or they can be text edited in. But since these new ladder only runewords are not the bis/meta defining chase items such as the ones I listed earlier (ie Infinity and the like), it won’t feel like you are missing out on much should you skip ladders.
so your point is dude shouldnt have fomo and should just be patient since it isnt game breaking? not sure why you need a wall of text to say that or again, what modding a game has to do with any of this. you seem to think giving a bunch of unrelated details someone makes it relevant when it isnt.
could have just said, stop crying OP, this isnt BiS and youll get it soon enough
If you go back and read my original post in this thread:
I addressed the OPs concerns, gave the facts and what I felt the future would hold. Everything else was primarily in response to your whole spiel about “choices” as I felt legacy was an illusion of choice, and the only way to play the game in it’s full state without the constant seasonal reset, is through modding. You chose to get confused on modding, trying to relate it to the ops concern, which I had already addressed in my original post, and pointed towards the source of that information.
you seem confused on my idea of choices. my argument of choice isnt that you get the option to play whatever mode you want and get everything. it is that if you want A) then you have to play B). if you dont play A) that is your choice but you will not get B). that isnt gate keeping that is you CHOOSING to not play ladder.
I am arguing exactly what you are saying - “the only way to play the game in it’s full state without the constant seasonal reset” and thats how it was and will be and thast not an illusion of choice, it is a choice
Nope. I am not confused. You just wanted to pick a fight, rather than simply letting OPs concern be addressed as it already was. I am fine with how D2R is distinguishing ladder only items currently. Once it reaches a state of legacy D2 however, I won’t be. This is no different than the devs themselves stating on the stream when it came to character balance: If this one class and skill are so good and nothing else compares, I’m kind of stuck needing to roll this build vs if this one mode of play has none of the items I need to really be viable in a number of builds, then I really have no choice of what mode to play.
D2R will be in a fine state with it’s current path, as long as they don’t start perm locking a massive amount of meta defining items, especially those you are generally expected to play the trade game, to realistically get (ie Last Wish and even Infinity to a degree).
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i mean you are agreeing its fine yet want to argue with me? who is the one trying to pick a fight? you could have told OP its ok and left it but you wanted to talk about mods and unrelated stuff for the sole purpose of an argument with me.
I was telling you to stop being a jerk. There was no need to come into the thread throwing swings at OP. In any case, I’m done with ya. Adios.
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