Heartcraver with grim ward, find potion and find item
Make it Oskill
Impaler with power strike and impale
Make it Oskill
Kuko shakaku with immolation arrows
Make it Oskill
Endless hail with Strafe
Make it Oskill
Magewrath with guided arrow
Make it Oskill
Gorefoot with leap
Make it Oskill
Ormus with +3 random sorc skill
Make it Oskill
Snowclash shiver armor
Make it Oskill
Etc
This would create so much much more build diversity and it would consolidate class identity by creating a clear Mastery of their skill by origin classes
Yes you can have find item on a Druid, but only a barb could max it out to high levels and with synergies
Nah. This seems dumb. O-Skills should be reserved to runewords and elite uniques/sets to give end game builds that last push, I.e Enigma/CtA. Who would care about making a barb when any class could throw on heart carver and scream at corpses?
Aight, let’s pick apart all your examples because you don’t see the failure in your own logic.
Kinemil’s Awl is a level 23 two-handed sword. On average, I would say that most toons that are level 23 would be in Act 3 or Act 4 of normal. Level 6 Holy Fire gives 21-48+ Fire damage to your attack (According to the Fandom wiki). A Paladin can benefit from this if he already has points put into Holy Fire, and is also synergizing with it. This damage increase hardly benefits other classes… except perhaps barb, but that’s a hard maybe, as you would be using both weapon slots to hold a two-hander.
With the WW changes, I doubt it would be a viable skill to try and take. Especially since you can’t dual-wield these. Barbs benefit most from it when they have already put skills into WW.
Usuable in later levels. If you have classes that clear groups of mobs without breaking the corpses, just W-swap and scream some items out. Sure you won’t be able to “maximize” the skill, but if you could clear content 3x faster than a barb with an AoE class, and have 1/3 - 1/2 the chances of getting an item from a corpse, wouldn’t you still do it?
Probably only decent with a Barbarian build due to being able to have Spear & Polearm Mastery. I doubt other classes would use it even with an o-skill.
It’s a bow. No one cares about bows if you’re not a zon.
See above.
Again, see above above.
Any other class will get a short-ranged jump if you can’t maximize it too much. No point unless you’re playing hopscotch.
Probably one of the only decent choices, however only if it rolls teleport. There’s your enigma alternative thanks to making it an oskill. So I’m gonna say no.
So basically all I hear is that you don’t have the mental capacities to be creative and ingenious with those potential new tools
Why couldn’t a Paladin use principle+laying of hands+ endless hail+ fanat to be a holy bolt machine gun?
Why couldn’t an enchant sorc use Kuko shakaku immolation arrows empowered by her fire mastery?
Why would you gate shiver armor behind fort?
Why couldn’t a Auradin use magewrath guided arrow as a vector of his holy auras?
Why couldn’t a passivezon use bloodletterWw to be a dodging critting force of nature?
ultimately, who are you to decide what would people enjoy to create? What I’m proposing is just more tools to enjoy the game
That and that you discredit changes that take little to no dev time on the ground that they are too weak??? If they are weak why are you against them lol
I like the idea. I also wish the 0skills were not limited to only +3 (instead of a listed higher number) when your character class actually matches the skill.
To be honest, this is actually one of his better ideas, one I’ve mentioned before as well. However, I wouldn’t go as far as to fully synergize them as he had stated before, and I’d take them on a case by case basis for what would make sense to open up.
Endless Shail for instance, would actually be pretty neat on a Paladin, and would give the Ranger Paladin a new build. It would also benefit Enchantress Sorc, who doesn’t have a lot of major options that are not just endgame runeword builds like Dream, Beast, and her only viable midgame build really is a Zeal build with Passion. It would also make a neat Summoning Druid build, taking more points into the Heart of the Wolverine and using Atma’s Scarab to proc Amp Damage.
Bloodletter would be interesting on a Paladin, Whirlwind with a Holy Fire/Lightning/Freeze Aura, or even Fanaticism with the new WW IAS change.
I do agree with you on Heart Carver, probably best leave it for the Barb.
Kuko would again be interesting for a Ranger Pally.
Personally, they should also do something with the charges on items. Again, nothing like trying to fully synergize them, but just make a select few as o-skills as opposed to charges nobody is using in the first place because they’re too expensive, or you don’t want to hoard a bunch of runes to recharge (especially since the runes won’t work on Jewelry).
Well just because an item is equipable by all classes, doesn’t mean they were not designed for that specific class. There are two concepts one is restriction of use, the other is restriction of benefit. And yes, you can say there are these armor runewords that can be used by all classes, have Oskills on them, why can’t all items be like this? Like yes why not? But they are still designed for a certain class, that will benefit from it more, because of the synergy system. And imo that what makes something class specific.
I’ve always wanted to be able to use strafe on a paladin with elemental auras. I’m not sure if I can get down with all of them… one positive is though, most of them wouldn’t be meta changing, but could be fun. It’s hard to open this without opening for all, right?
Either way, this is an interesting conversation. Imagine Ormus’ Robes!
Only because you can get an additional bonus from 1 item swap doesn’t create a new build. It might just be a better or worse option and therefor remove the old item from builds.
example:
Most of your suggested builds with those items would simply just be F- tier builds that only a few people would even try. Unless they really revamp those items to some usefulness, I don’t think just changing the class skill to Oskill is a good move.
example:
WW with bloodletter + shield would be just bad on any class.
P.S.: Only barb can wear 2 weapons, except for sin with 2 claws, but no other 2 weapons combined.
Wouldn’t giving a Sorc Strafe just replace Bowazon for the most part?
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Actually for some reason I was thinking enchant did a significant amount more damage than it does. Guess it’s been years since I even looked at the skill.