But the big difference here and why your analogy isn’t great, is that the main premise of SSF is comparing yourself to other players which in reality means you’re once again facing mainly botters and account levelers so where is this psychological benefit? At least with HC, botting or not, everyone is just as likely to get one shotted and say bye bye.
In a perfect world yes, it would be nice but y’all have been crying about having to compete on current ladder against botters, why isn’t that the main issue at hand? Seems like we are skipping a few steps here because currently folks on this forum believe botters are the majority of the logged on accounts yet these SSF champions like to just believe we go from that to a fair SSF ladder. I guarantee people like you and TDJ will still be pissed off that y’all aren’t ranked within any significant position.
And others have touched upon if we want to theorize, how would it even look like? SSF ladder strictly based on level will just be abused like paragon in d3, most people at the top will obviously be botting because do any of y’all know how many games you would need on p1 to reach 99…? It would be cool if they introduced other metrics such as fastest time to nm/hell/beating hell baal but if these are what they look at well all these records have already been tracked on websites so you’re able to start recording your own session to compete…all points really lead me to believe how silly SSF would be for d2r.
I think SSF, specifically HC SSF, would fit great in D2.
It is not only that the botters will be way less, specially in HC, and specially for certain classes. The thing that always seemed strange to me in the current leaderboards (overall + class specific) is that there is only the one name on top when that person had help from others. The “psychological” benefit with SSF would be that the name/person actually did everything by him/herself and you know you compare to others having done the same.
In the case of the class specific leaderboards, which make up for 7/8 of them, they just become moot as it is today. I mean, the highest barb or necro didnt get there on their own, they could have been basically any class and still gotten the same level, it was 99% directly dependent on who they played with or got help from. By making the SSF leaderboard it would make the leaderboards actually mean something. I would like to compare my hc barb vs another knowing that both of us did everything on our own.
When talking about leaderboards, why not also add a grail counter, 1 point for every set/unique you find, and track that for example? Time to beat Baal in hell? Announcement for first torch etc.
Also, personally, I think it would be interesting to see how the classes in the HC SSF leaderboards do in general, who will be on top? It might depend if /players command is added, which I think it should be, since it would create another level of complexity. Now people can go ahead with the theorycrafting.
Most of those metrics are bottable too. I don’t think having a separate league does anything substantially good, and I’d rather see dev time devoted to making the game more multiplayer friendly, not less.
ssf with /p command online will just make everyone play paladin so they can clear p8 with dual spirits and be on top of everyone else
there is no theory crafting, there is no balance between chars.
It’s going to be a boring level grind for the first week for the few that get to 99 with no or little sleep, the rest will stop caring after that and as is, it dies as there is no trading and no point to race after that.
Thats the thing with D2 in general, the core game is boring. PvP was the one aspect to look forward to. SSF Ladder would be interesting though just to see how long it takes legit with no help to reach lvl 99.
Most people I know are 80-90% SSF in terms of how they really play, but that extra bit of trade to push them over some hurdles. I know there are aggressive traders who trivialize and skip most of the game that way, but I wouldn’t say that characterizes normal SC play in general.
I want this so bad it’s not even funny. Every Season there should be an SSF champion that reaches lvl 99 to be immortalized. Everything else just doesn’t matter the same way.
You’d see this breathe a new breath of fresh air to the game and be somewhat bot immune as well.
i reached 99 with a SSF online character. i got to 97 during season 2 and just stayed on it. no players x needed, but you have to be willing to lose your mind in the process. pX would trivialize it
D3 SSF made sense to add, PC has no offline option and it is very easy to get high paragon even for casual.
D2R SSF ladder = ultimate bot or epeen no lifer, why are we excited for that. It is 10000 x more no lifer vs the group levelers people complain about on normal ladder…oh the hypocrisy…because again I pose the question, how many games do yall think it takes to get to 99 on p1
You can look at current ladder as FFA, you compete against SSF, d2jsp, botters, rmters, groupers and no lifers. Makes it ultimate ladder with that mindset. HCL is most fair since I would trust a good human player much more than any of the bots people use to level, they are far too confident and I know many have lost chars.