well…i dont think its worth to do countess with a pally at all, besides offline
only trash ghosts are worth to kill, and only on lvl 4 and 5 bc of their loot table
ya, been running around 60-100 countess a day for over a week and only good rune i have gotten is a mal. i also make sure to waste ghost mobs on the way through so it’s not just TP there directly there and done. i also haven’t found a single decent drop beyond that. lol. i must be super unlucky hmm.
not true at all.
“players count” refers to unpartied players, so every other player count affects the nodrop of a treasure class. when the player is partied, nodrop change is not reduced and every player count affects nodrop (interpreting what you’re saying by “running as duo”). the more players in a game, the lower the nodrop is for every TC (which means less chance to drop no items). countess’s special rune table goes through its picks (no effect by nodrop) before her monster table is picked. since a monster can only have up to 6 drops, any items that are rolled for replace her special rune drop. therefore, more players = lower nodrop = less chance of getting no items = more chance of dropping items = more chance of items replacing special rune table drop = less runes.
see then then i must be misudnerstanding the bajillion or so articles and analysis of drops, especially teh countess. i thought her rune drops were unique to her and her alone, and not affected by no-drop tables
her rune drop table isn’t affected by nodrop, but her regular table is, and replaces her rune drop table, since monsters can only drop 6 items.
seei thought her rune drop table was what rolled first, and the rest only rolled for a drop if she that slot didn’t drop a rune
her rune drop table does roll first, but her item drop table will replace her rune drop table. rune doesnt have priority, item does.
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i love when someone brings actual game knowledge to the table
here are some guides that can help you and many others who may wonder
https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/q5cl66/a_comprehensive_guide_to_obtaining_high_runes_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/comments/porq8m/high_rune_farming_guide/
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Not so fast. We do not know what’s on the servers, we can only guess. For those that play Online, that is.
her p1 table behaves exactly as her p1 table offline
we can be sure that, in this case, the game files are the same as the server files
Is this why Countess is best farmed on /players 1 without MF? I remember having read something along those lines but couldn’t find the source.
Anyway, here’s the final summary for 121 runs:
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| Item | # |
|---|---|
| Key of Terror | 10 |
| Nothing | 3 |
| El | 3 |
| Eld | 4 |
| Tir | 15 |
| Nef | 10 |
| Eth | 18 |
| Ith | 15 |
| Tal | 26 |
| Ral | 16 |
| Ort | 18 |
| Thul | 12 |
| Amn | 18 |
| Sol | 10 |
| Shael | 13 |
| Dol | 8 |
| Hel | 7 |
| Io | 6 |
| Lum | |
| Ko | 6 |
| Fal | 2 |
| Lem | 1 |
| Pul | |
| Um | 4 |
| Mal | |
| Ist | 1 |
And here are the full details of my 121 runs:
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| Run # | Drop 1 | Drop 2 | Drop 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Dol | ||
| 2 | Tal | ||
| 3 | Ral | ||
| 4 | Ral | ||
| 5 | Tir | ||
| 6 | Ral | ||
| 7 | Sol | Tir | |
| 8 | Tir | El | |
| 9 | Hel | Amn | |
| 10 | El | Thul | |
| 11 | Amn | Shael | Ith |
| 12 | Hel | Tal | |
| 13 | Nothing | ||
| 14 | Eth | ||
| 15 | Dol | Eth | Eld |
| 16 | Nef | Tal | Shael |
| 17 | Amn | Ko | |
| 18 | El | Ral | |
| 19 | Eld | Ko | |
| 20 | Eth | Tal | |
| 21 | Key of Terror | ||
| 22 | Ith | ||
| 23 | Sol | Thul | |
| 24 | Tal | Ral | |
| 25 | Ith | Shael | Key of Terror |
| 26 | Thul | ||
| 27 | Ral | ||
| 28 | Io | Tir | Fal |
| 29 | Tir | ||
| 30 | Eth | ||
| 31 | Amn | Sol | |
| 32 | Amn | Tir | |
| 33 | Amn | ||
| 34 | Amn | ||
| 35 | Thul | Nef | Ko |
| 36 | Ith | Tal | |
| 37 | Ith | ||
| 38 | Amn | Ort | |
| 39 | Tal | ||
| 40 | Io | ||
| 41 | Nef | Tal | Dol |
| 42 | Tir | Shael | |
| 43 | Tal | ||
| 44 | Eth | Ral | |
| 45 | Ort | ||
| 46 | Ort | Tal | |
| 47 | Nothing | ||
| 48 | Eth | ||
| 49 | Tal | ||
| 50 | Key of Terror | Ist | Hel |
| 51 | Key of Terror | Ko | |
| 52 | Eth | Amn | |
| 53 | Nothing | ||
| 54 | Tal | Shael | |
| 55 | Lem | Tir | |
| 56 | Tal | Um | |
| 57 | Key of Terror | Tir | Tal |
| 58 | Tir | Tal | |
| 59 | Sol | Ith | |
| 60 | Fal | Tal | |
| 61 | Key of Terror | Ort | Tal |
| 62 | Tal | Thul | |
| 63 | Dol | ||
| 64 | Ort | ||
| 65 | Ort | Nef | |
| 66 | Ral | ||
| 67 | Ith | Eld | |
| 68 | Amn | Ral | |
| 69 | Tal | Tir | Ort |
| 70 | Ko | Tal | |
| 71 | Um | Thul | |
| 72 | Tir | Ort | Nef |
| 73 | Io | Thul | |
| 74 | Ort | ||
| 75 | Ith | Thul | Ort |
| 76 | Thul | Dol | |
| 77 | Key of Terror | Sol | Tir |
| 78 | Key of Terror | Ort | Io |
| 79 | Nef | Eth | Amn |
| 80 | Ort | Ith | Eth |
| 81 | Tal | Eth | |
| 82 | Shael | ||
| 83 | Key of Terror | Sol | |
| 84 | Amn | ||
| 85 | Ral | ||
| 86 | Ral | ||
| 87 | Ko | Ith | Io |
| 88 | Um | Hel | Shael |
| 89 | Nef | Sol | |
| 90 | Nef | Nef | Ral |
| 91 | Sol | Ort | |
| 92 | Ith | Ort | Ral |
| 93 | Ith | Ort | |
| 94 | Amn | ||
| 95 | Sol | Nef | |
| 96 | Amn | Eth | |
| 97 | Dol | ||
| 98 | Eth | Tir | |
| 99 | Dol | ||
| 100 | Shael | Ith | |
| 101 | Eth | ||
| 102 | Ort | ||
| 103 | Eld | Tal | |
| 104 | Hel | Shael | |
| 105 | Ort | Shael | Dol |
| 106 | Thul | Ral | |
| 107 | Shael | Eth | Tal |
| 108 | Amn | Ith | |
| 109 | Shael | ||
| 110 | Key of Terror | Tir | Tal |
| 111 | Ith | ||
| 112 | Tal | Thul | |
| 113 | Ort | Amn | |
| 114 | Um | ||
| 115 | Tal | ||
| 116 | Eth | Ral | |
| 117 | Io | ||
| 118 | Sol | Amn | |
| 119 | Eth | Ral | Thul |
| 120 | Hel | ||
| 121 | Amn | Eth | Shael |
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5+ ist worth in just 120 runs
Give a solution and get another excuse. I don’t wanna work for it, just give me, now.
Thank you for that.
I play melee, without teleport, so, I find Countess the only run which essentially guarantee’s a rune, or more.
I open the game, run the Countess 3 or 4 times, then go help others, or do the old Chaos/Baal runs with others, or solo. Been doing this for probably ~6 months… almost daily.
I’ll often (well, maybe 40ish% of the time) find a rune while clearing levels 1-4.
It is often as good or better a drop than what the Countess and her gang drop.
I’ve never kept track of runs/drops, but I would expect it to be a very familiar experience as to what dorcopio has recorded.
Although since Friday, her, or her gang, has provided 2 Pul and 1 Mal… admittedly, everything else has been Amn or lower… often a lot lower… And those are the best drops she has ever provided.
Yes, cubing runes up is time consuming…
But… when you finally have a surplus of runes/gems and decide it’s time start cubing up to make more room, I find it very satisfying.
I’ve tried the Travincal, maybe 40 or 50 times… I found 1 Hel and a spattering of Amn and lower… but most often (I would guess over 80% of the time) I find no runes.
Countess is way better for my Character.
I have yet to have a rune drop doing Chaos and Baal… and have dropped maybe a handfull along the River of Flame…
Countess is way better for my Character.
LK is boring, time consuming and much like the Travincal returns nadda.
Countess is way better for my Character.
As I understand things, zoom zoom Casters and Horkers have a much different experience…
I’m just reporting from a simple melee dude who has to walk to where he’s going while engaging monsters on a 1-on-1 bias.
To remind you, just because some players may, just may, want to part with their Ists for a handful or Amethysts, does not mean it is a guaranteed conversion.
I have been selling lots of gear for runes, I have over 100 items on for sale at the moment, example 3x keys for a Mal. I do not exactly have a crowd queueing outside my door wanting to part with their Mals and Ists for my items.
Your conversion from a handful of Rals to a handful of Ists is not always possible and also it is not in Blizzard’s design, it is how the “market” has sat with a few elite players wanting to re-re-re-roll their items and in need of very specific items, gems and runes. But there are very few of those willing to make such trades, go see how many buyers there are, not how may sellers.
I currently have all the runes Ohm and below (multiple copies each) and a few runewords with Los etc, and it was all done through trading, I have only ever found 2-3 HRs (Ohm, Vex, Lo).
I think runes’ drop chances should be bumped up.
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The value is in the keys. 10Tkeys is comfortably worth 2 ist. Or you could use them to make a sorc or pally torch where they are worth ohm at least.
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Would you believe I have been selling my keys (3x keys = 1 Mal) and have no idea what they do? 
Lol. A common trade is “unid torch for vex”. So for someone to procure an unid torch they need 3 keys of each kind so 9 total.
You can also trade 4x4 key sets for unid torch that way the torch farmer gets a tip of 1 Key set.
Use those trades to determine the value of each key.
Also consider: -not each key is equal in odds
-not each key is equal in difficulty
-not each key is equal in demand
Either way, you could be getting mal for 2 keys probably 
Do you have a torch Zilliman?
I sold all my keys except 3 x destruction and it was 3x keys for a mal. I also sold 9x or 12x but I cannot remember what I got. Some classes/builds are better at some keys than others. I am not good at Nihlathak’s, takes me a long time. I usually sell Hate and Terror very easily.
I do not have a torch or an anni, I only really use MF gear, for example my HOTO is in the stash permanently, I play with an Oculus instead. A torch would be wasted on me.
I recommend you get yourself a torch and anni… make a game called “um for any anni”, or “um for any torch”. Someone will come quick and offer you something… its a potential 40 resist all and 40 to all stats…