It is true that a significant fraction want more loot. It is also true that a significant fraction want optional iloot/tloot. These are overlapping yet distinct subsets.
It is also true that a significant fraction want FFA only. It is also true that a significant fraction want a higher drop rate. These subsets also overlsp but are distinct.
Another thing I’d like to add is that if ploot isn’t added, it’s not the end of the world. This is a suggestion for what could be a fantastic expansion of how the game can be played. If blizz doesn’t go for it then the game will just continue without it. And D2 is an amazing game as is.
So no one is suggesting this is a necessity. Just an improvement that has no bearing on anyone against it. Much like the addition of a colorblind option.
Need to frame this above the plooters guild hall
I play this game damn is it already 25 years? years and i spend countless hours online doing baalruns and other things. I had never issue to get stuff even in public game. Yes you will not get something every run, but you would not even with ploot. So i simply dont understand why have something like ploot. It will not bring any fairness without system allocating loot based on character played abd previously dropped items by ploot. And it would require robust system with many flawes easy to abuse. I see zero fairness with ploot.
I already said it, is fair that I will get nothing two runs and third run magic wand and guy playing sorc will get arreat face? Is that your definition of fair system guys? Seriously?
The most significant improvement I see if they use ploot … less items for D2 stores, less sales in D2 stores, they dry up, the in-game bots start dwindling as the stores shut down, then as a further result the spam-bots dwindle as well … win-win-win
You mean to tell me that if you were playing a sorc and an arreats dropped, knowing how valuable it is, you wouldn’t grab it, or would simply give it away? Seriously? Don’t lie.
XD. I like *g 20 chars
The game already determines drops by RNG. RNG alone already determines whether a face drops in the first place.
yes actually. it is. It’s auto allocated loot. you could trade for that arreats with the plooter if they wanted to.
This is your issue.
FFA: Loot it determined by your random proximity to it when it drops (to the point many players stop what they’re doing to crowd on bosses before they die), lag, latency, and “skill” in clicking (in truth random and not skill, as players click randomly and furiously where rhey hope loot will drop).
Ploot: Loot is determined by a consistent dice roll. You have a random but equal chance at loot without further random determining factors of lag, latency, and proximity.
You are attached to the FFA side and are trying to argue for higher standards for the Ploot side for faults in both systems that you are pretending don’t exist on your side. Why should Ploot be held to a standard of loot filtering that assigns the barb items to the barb and the bows to the Amazon while the FFA system doesn’t have this? What is better about the FFA system where random furious clicking puts the wand in the melee character’s hands compared to a Ploot system that does the same but without all the furious clicking?
What’s so interesting about these threads is they constantly just end up actually arguing how one wouldn’t want to use the option. When in fact that is not a reason be against the implementation of the option itself, for all.
This is the best evidence that there is no legitimate argument against ploot.
But it doesnt determine who gets it. Now it can be any of 8 players in game.
Its fair because you can trade? Trade what? I saud i didnt get anything two runs and then magic wand. I was barbarian and item dropped ideal for me and game will give it to someone who already had good item in previous run. Situation which can happen easily. Thats not fair dude. And i am 100% sure you would not feel it to be fair if that really happened to you either.
Can it happen in current system? Yeah, but i have chance to pick it up if i want. Maybe i will fail, maybe not. Thats fair chance for me and if i dont dont pick it up i can only blame myself for being slow or for positioning myself poorly because yes that is player skill also.
I am able to get stuff from baal often because i know where to stand.
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? How did you come to that conclusion?
this was already addressed so I’ll save some time and just quote
Are you suggesting that each player has equal opprtunity. We know that is wrong.
I can get far more than 75% of boss drops in an 8 player game. That means the ither 7 get far less than what is expected by random chance.
What? You know its not Bound to acount right?
Bots will play as they alwasy have…
This a som typical agruments for ploot… And they dont make sence…
I will give you one real argument. Its wasting devs resources which could work on actualy important changes and new content instead for something we dont really need.
And before you said its not hard to implement. Devs already said in past its complicated for implementation. Definitely not easy change with all implications.
Quite simply, it boils down to those in support of D2 stores and wealth accumulation on jsp and those against it.
There is no perfect system.
That being said, the benefits of PLOOT far outweigh those of FFA … especially in day-to-day game play. One system encourages botting, hacking/cheating [pikit], and benefitting from these with real money at the demise of the legit player.
As I stated before, PLOOT would greatly help in reducing d2 stores by limiting their wares, in turn causing many of them to realize that the work outweighs the benefits [they are lazy anyway just running 10 bots each and not really playing the game] … once that realization sets in, they will start looking for other monetary endeavors thus shutting down their D2 stores … in turn, less bots & less cheating/hacking in game … and even better, less spam-bots in chat rooms preventing even a casual conversation.
Where is the downside?
bots cannot change the loot roll, and they would need a lot of reprogramming to wait around to see if it turns ffa after the up to 30 secs. Bots would therefore stay in the FFA games where there is no changes
Why do you want ploot then if you are able to get 75% of loot?
Its honestly not true tho, no way you are consistently picking more than two items before others from boss.
Exatly what iam saying. it wont change anything.