First of all, I didn not say it was BoP loot. I said PLoot kills trading. Also trading would require another entity to auth and blind buyer/sellers. (aka your d3 style) Which means the bots would win 100% of the time as they snipe the things x amount of rss more. Which kills the core functionality of the game.
And they didn’t bother changing it I guess your 5000 person poll wasn’t enough to sway them. keep trying tho I don’t know why you want to ruin Diablo 2 but its up to you.
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David Brevik, the original creator of D2/D2:LoD, said that if he could go back in time, he would replace FFA loot with instanced loot and it would not fundamentally alter the game.
Umm…Actually, David said the game is perfect and the only change he would make is remove Stamina.
Why? If D3 did not have an auction house initially, people find a way to trade. I have already been told that if people want ploot, they should play solo in D2R. Logically, you are suggesting that means that two people who find gear playing solo can not trade in D2R?
Even David Brevik does not think FFA loot is core functionality.
You are incorrect. He has said repeatedly that he would change 3 things in D2/D2:Lod if he could go back in time:
- Remove stamina bar
- Add auto-gold pickup
- Replace FFA loot with instanced loot
Here are multiple link to his tweet and an interview.
Having said that, I think the diehard D2 fans appreciate Davd Brevik’s effort and value decisions that he made at that time within the context of technical limitations. In 2016, Brevik tweeted that for diablo 2 “Removing the stamina bar and instancing loot are a few things I would love to see.”
Here is twitter feed of interest:
https://twitter.com/davidbrevik/status/743478825065947137
My point is that even David Brevik sees things in Diablo 2 he would change if he could including having insanced loot.
My suggestion is to have it so that BOTH are possible and selectable by the player due to their personal preference. Players can choose to play the old way (global loot drops) OR instanced personal loot drops.
Even if you think Brevik mis-tweeted, he reiterated his thoughts on instanced loot here:
https://clips.twitch.tv/AverageVenomousSkunkM4xHeh
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If they go that route it should be at character creation and the two don’t interact with each other. Have it be a selection like pre/post-expansion. Tho I don’t see them changing core mechanics after release let alone so soon after release.
If anything I see them releasing a paid expansion that will have modern systems to milk money out of those that don’t want to actually play Diablo 2
the guy who made the game says “it wouldn’t really fundamentally change the game that much” to add instanced loot, remove stamina, and add auto gold pickup ( we got that one already, yay) but would be “much better than the way it is now” so to claim its changing a core mechanic is a bit over blown.
It is changing one small part of the loot system and that part is just on the distribution side not how or what drops.
The guy who made the game doesn’t work for the company the guy who made the game didn’t advertise this as a remaster his opinion on it doesn’t matter anymore.
It kills trading how exactly?
His opinion on what are and aren’t game breaking core mechanics matters far more than yours, lmfao.
you are calling it a core mechanic of the game like it would change everything an insane amount to do a minor change to it, the person who designed the game disagrees with that assessment and that very much matters. He would know what is core to diablo 2 design far better than you.
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Rod Fergusson said that it would be at game creation if an alternate optional loot system would be added. This makes sense since total drops are not changed.
Also, I bet that Rod’s comments did nt take into account controllers which change the loot dynamic.
Counterintuitively, it is harder to gear up with personal loot since a player only sees 1/8 of good drops, no more scavenging, and loss of B-tier items from the trade economy.
David Brevik is wrong. Instancing loot, or personal loot, or however you want to word it would fundamentally change the game. First, they would have to dramatically increase the drop rate for it to work in a fair manner. Second, D2 was never about fairness. A game designed to be fair wouldn’t have items with drop rates of 0.0002% and lower. You literally have a better chance at winning the PowerBall than you do getting some items in this game. Third, with the influx of extra items being generated, they would have to change the core game to account for this. This would most likely mean, Bind On Equipe.
That would turn D2 into something else completely. If Mr. Brevik cannot see that, he is blind to his own creation or has become soft like these Zoomers.
If they marketed this as a remake I’d be all for changing the loot system they’re the ones that used the words “the same Diablo II you know and love, preserved.” you don’t preserve things by changing it FFA loot like it or not is how loot distribution is handled in Diablo 2.
Loot distribution is a very important part of an ARPG especially one that is played online.
I’ll just say I hate the idea of ploot because the only correct distribution would have to be a fraction based on players in the game. So now even seeing some items will be 1/8 of the time. For…guaranteeing someone can pick something up?
I know it’s not related, but IF the slope turns into increasing drop rates to counteract the lessened chance of seeing uniques/sets then I’d be out. May as well go the full/pure/forced-self found/no trading route as well and make it D2R: D3 returns. (I’m being ridiculous here, but there does need to be a limit)
he said they’ve talked about it but after the backlash (because this community is actually one of the smaller d2 communities. all the larger d2 communities are against ploot) he got from that tweet, he basically said something along the lines of
“calm down, it isn’t happening, we just have talked about it”
so yeah it isn’t happening
the next major patch can change whatever they want it would still be a remaster, they remastered the game which released on the last major patch of diablo 2 now sticking with the way the game has always worked it will be patched with updates that improve it.
to have a game that doesn’t change would be to not have the same diablo 2 we know and love it has changed many times in 21 years.
With PLOOT for trade ( like in D3 style) Its blind seller, blind buyer in auction house. Which you need a third party to facilitate the trade. And you get outbid by bots every single time. You also need another currency to hold value as IGG is useless. Player to player trade is non existent in D3 as there was no lobby. Which kills trading in a sense aka a core game function. When was the last time in the last 5 years you open the trade menu in d3? Do you even know there is a trade menu in D3?
Have your PLOOT, you get to start fresh and keep the two economy separate. Go play yourself found ploot as the drop rate will have to increase to compensate. Effectively make it like Ladder and non ladder. The Ploot people will play ploot ladder/non ladder. Keep your ploot in your own economy.
IF anything there is already ploot in the game. Its called host your own instance and KILL your own bosses / monsters. Instead of running around behind people and act like a vacuum cleaner sucking up everything left behind.
No. They would not need to do that. Currently in an 8 player game with players of similar clicking skill, one expects to get about 1/8 of all good drops which is exactly the same in ploot/instanced loot assuming that the entire party was near the monster kill.
So the game is not fair by your definition.
Since total drops do not change, your idea is based on a false assumption.
No, it does not. You keep making slippery slope fallacies.
I highly doubt that. I think he sees the issues that FFA loot causes and knows that now there are better options. Remember FFA loot was not chosen because it was superior to instanced loot. FFA loot was in D2/D2:LoD because instanced loot had not yet been invented. There is a reason that almost every game developer now uses instanced loot and not FFA loot. This has become the gold standard due to its superiority.
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it hasn’t changed in almost 11 years. the last major content patch was 1.13 in 2010 Diablo 2 as a game is finished.
now if they go back and add things to Diablo 2 LOD then you can make an argument that those changes need to be in the remaster but considering its been over a decade I doubt its going to happen.
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No. You can trade without the auction house in D3. It was just much easier to use the auction house. In D2R with free trade, you still frequently go to 3rd party sites. That would not change with ploot.
Ploot does not mean increasing the drop rates. Right now with FFA loot, many players are complaining about drop rates. Does that mean we need to get rid of FFA loot where people complain about drop rates? This is illogical to me. Also, high rune drop rates were increased in D2:LoD with FFA loot. Do you think need to change that or get rid of FFA loot as a result?
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