I get not splitting very small / tightly packed terror zones like chaos sanctuary or obviously baal minions, but why do you chimp out when someone wants to split tal rasha tombs for example? They’re SEVEN tombs and one of them is extra large.
Advantages of splitting:
you get extra exp per player in a game (I think it’s 50%), but all the experience is split among present party members (aka within the traditional 2 screens), so you end up getting less experience while staying together compared to when you’d split
you get your own loot! How awesome is that? Getting to loot a charm or a rune from time to time without botters insta picking your items
Disadvantages of splitting:
you have to create games more often as they would be over sooner, but creating a game and running through a waypoint (in tal rasha tombs for example) takes like what, 10 seconds?
Then it hit me. You’re too bad to farm on your own. You desperately want other people to carry you because what’s the alternative? You’d have to kill monsters alone and get less exp than what you’d get sticking with a group. And that’s fine for you to sacrifice personal loot, because you already kill like a snail and produce one high rune every three seasons.
I’ve met people that go as far as to create new game after new game ad infinitum until people that split go away, which wastes everyone’s time significantly more than splitting would. Or even worse, people that hostile you and try to kill you, ruining their group in the process.
So next time when you pull try to pull crap like this, at least be honest up front that you’re too bad to farm tz on your own, don’t give me and other splitters pathetic excuses.
Because this game fosters a relatively large subgroup of users whose sole objective is to troll and grief others. Split MF game? Hi, here I am in the zone the host wanted. Quest game? Oh I’m MFing your quest out of party. To them, it doesn’t matter that they are slowing others and themselves down. Their time is worthless, and they are miserable, and misery loves company. Blizzard ‘forgot’ to port over a lot of counter-measures for this sort of behavior (one example: ‘Prevent player from hearing you’ toggle that used to exist on the party menu), and these ‘people’ tend to blend in with others exhibiting similar toxic behavior that is a byproduct of the lack of the /players command. You won’t have to look long to identify these personality types also trolling on the forums as well.
This is what I’m talking about folks. Someone who’s apologetic and doesn’t have any arguments to defend the fact that he’s just bad.
You’re just making a bunch of strawmen to defend your narrow view of what the game should be in your opinion.
You’re so lost you don’t even know what you’re arguing for lol.
(one example: ‘Prevent player from hearing you’ toggle that used to exist on the party menu)
This would basically allow people who group farm exclude splitters from joining their game, so you’re basically advocating for the same people I’m trying to shame. In case you didn’t even realize what you’re talking about.
Split MF game? Hi, here I am in the zone the host wanted. Quest game? Oh I’m MFing your quest out of party.
No, you’re right. Those are not just strawmen, they’re red herrings as well. Might as well learn to have a normal conversation with someone before attempting so. But I won’t bother with trolls, you can count yourself as blocked.
I’m not advocating for anything. I’m pointing out that they failed to port over a feature that was already implemented in D2. What this feature does is make it easier for the group to ditch people who aren’t cooperating, or who are actively trying to ruin an established group’s activity. For instance, if you and your group want to split the tombs and some clingon is following you around instead you change the run name without telling them. Conversely, if your group wants to stay together and some schizo is skipping ahead when you asked not to, you ditch them. You seem confused.
You are using those terms incorrectly, they do not apply here. If I’m to take you at your word, you don’t believe that trolls and griefers exist. Good luck to you, sir.
And where should I ‘learn’ that before ‘attempting’ to do so on a video game forum? From wherever you ‘learned’? I’ll pass.
Open your own games instead of joining and write splitting in the description.
Splitting tombs has more disadvantages than you are listing.
examples:
different tomb sizes → different clear times → so either idle time or losing 8 player bonus because of random joining/leaving or joining someone else tomb aka no longer splitting.
Coordination gets a lot worse especially in pubs.
Again, create your own games instead of joining others. Leave, when people asking you to leave because you want to play different, instead of being a jerk.
You seem to have a pretty crappy attitude, so no wonder people don’t want you in their games.
5 tombs are almost of identical size. The one tomb with the superunique is slightly bigger (ancient kaa). The real tomb can be split itself because it’s so big. Every time I split farmed with a group that did that as well I did not have those problems. In fact, I made the most exp in those lobbies and so did others. Hell, you can split even the small tombs and nobody would get mad because the lanes are diametrically opposed. I did it before.
Then there’s a flip side to the same coin, if I create my own games and include splitting in the desc or even the title, there will be people who join and expect group farm and people like this will keep joining and quitting, keeping you on players 5-8 instead of the full p8 bonus.
Then there’s a bunch of ad hominems you listed because why not. Then you accuse me of crappy attitude, the irony.
Then there are those people who make baal games, expect people to join their game and go baal on their own while they farm terror zones. I offered to teleport people to baal if they allowed me to split the terror zone with them (in this case, it was flayer jungle which is huge and can be easily split in two in 2-3 minutes it takes people to kill baal minions), but they wouldn’t hear it. It’s just nonsensical behavior based on emotions, it just makes me think this game is filled with frustrated teenagers.
You have no idea what my attitude in game is, you’re just extrapolating from what I’m writing on the forums, which is coincidentally addressed to people who jump on me because what I’m saying is true and I piss them off.
Besides, those ad hominems weren’t even addressed to you. You can continue with your trolling, doesn’t make you any better than those people you’re trying to protect.
This is true and as it is my only source of information about you I described how you look like for me. That’s why I wrote that “YOU SEEM” to have a pretty crappy attitude.
But considering your further forum posts:
or your ad hominems, I might have hit the nail right on the head with my observation.
It doesn’t matter if you address me directly or just address everyone that might have a different view with your overgeneralization, you insulted everybody that doesn’t want to split areas with you, because you couldn’t think of other reasons. It shows your attitude pretty well.
They don’t need protection and I’m not protecting anyone.
I just gave you advice how to act like a decent human because it seems like you can’t do that online.
Because people prefer to stay in game for a while as you will easily fill game vs when you spam it as you end up finishing too fast.
Actualy no, you will get more xp solo as xp is not devidid to your group members close to you. You get it all.
If i will create game and you start to run with me , how is that getting my own loot? I will have to split with you and if you are in different tomb, you kill content i want to farm.
Seriously what the hell are you talking about? If someone makes split game and is in his zone he/she want to farm, go elsewhere , is that so hard?
I honestly dont understand what is the issue for you.
Worst post I’ve read today. Ladder is already hand-held a1 normal - a5 hell, and strangers dropping sunder, anni, and basic gear kits for free. Now you also want to nerf the last bastion of independent gaming by forcing people to farm in your zone, such greed.
Sounds no different than most of the chaos or baal games I’ve ran in the last 5 years.
One or two players, bunch of leeches who don’t do anything except teleport onto the loot. Most people just sit in town waiting for somebody else to make worldstone portal. They don’t even deserve a participation trophy. That’s why I farm minions along the way - because they’re literally going to wait as long as it takes to get fed. I don’t see why I should have my loot and experienced diminished as a reward for carrying.
Nothing is ever good enough. People were shi77ing themselves over p1 solo terror exp for their high level characters on release. Now people don’t even want to play unless the TZ is among the top 5 best - and they don’t want any of the casuals imposing on them.
Unless it’s a good terror zone, I don’t play unless I can find a baal game to follow while running p8 solo.
I mean, you could farm P1 alone, but it’s pretty much slotmachine2 at that point. And the odds are much much much worse than P8/1 slotmachine2 you know. It’s pretty much a foot on the throat of anyone who wants to progress — public or waste your life scrubbing identical content for cents an hour to buy lottery tickets…
We must be playing on different servers because what I see in pugs is idling and telepickiting loot. Legitimately the only contribution they have to their names is being a body that reduces the no drop rate, and that comes with a huge drawback. Split farm is the safest way to pug and guard yourself against outright cheating and you advocate to take that away as well.
you are right about the repetitiveness of the farm process but the game is basically this, solo or group
And p1 is the most effective difficulty to farm loot in the game, except for monsters with strange TCs
Youre kinda right about that, i should have wrote “sharing”, so i agree that the current MP meta does nothing good for the game and is antisocial by nature
Leechers are common in any game that involves loot and MP so you cant really get rid of them, my solution for this is to implement an ignore function where the ignored player cant join your games and you cant join his
The above is the reason i think instanced p1 loot is a must in the game, ofc as an option
This would eliminates the loot fight from the game, which is nothing but an antisocial mechanic
The Px difficulty system was made to give MP more challenge while giving them “better” droprates
The actual use of Px for solo farm in splitfarm games is nothing but unintended antisocial design and should be discouraged
This means that:
P8 solo capable builds should be nerfed
Bonus mob hp for higher player count should be bufffed
I dont think that removing splitfarm will fix the game by itself
More measures need to take place in order to make this, not perfect but great, game shine even more
