Overall thoughts about patch 2.5 with some realistic solutions

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then spend 35minutes on it or do 12runs. IS this game’s fault that you can’t find games? we have friends list/in-game chat to communicate with others. make friends in game.

Here there are two of you complaining about my balance solution, team up and play together.

BTW none of you showed any other solution.

soooooorry, Jeff managed to quote part of my 1st post.

btw
Teo even made a summary on maxroll
google for “First Level 99 Ladder Season 1 maxroll” (can’t post links here)

you see, end-game achievements such as 99 might not be for those who don’t want to do X runs per day. You don’t benefit from any level above 95 for most builds (I think only javazon and bone necro will benefit from higher level).

Man 30mins/day by avarage doesn’t mean that if you skip a day you loose all progress. it’s 3.5h per week. so 2x less than 2hour session per week. are you guys serious? or just trolling?

But if you ask me for my opinion I’ll say that if you play less than 3.5h per week (30mins a day) then 99 is not for you. And surprise surprise - TZs won’t change it.
Mostly because everyone will want zones for themselves so you will need to farm solo and it will take you more or less same time as now doing public baal runs. And on top of it, those that can form teams / use communities will get even further ahead.
Now on public baalruns you get around 190% of base experience (base is solo p1), on solo p8 you gain 450% of base. Which means more or less that those bad bad players who have no life and are abusing communities or are chained to PC for 30mins a day will now get x4.5 of your experience instead of *2.36

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solution?
you wanna keep the xp grind the same in detriment of screwing with the only good thing this game has, the loot hunt, by increasing the drop rates

who plays only one char?

right now my frenzy barb could work on his synergies
my poisonmancer the same
my nova/ES sorce could use more warmth

gosh, im looking at 1,5h a day, for a year, just for those three chars
what if i want to try the new summondruid? im dead by just thinking of it

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Man I’m really tired of this clown fiesta :open_mouth:
You don’t give any solution here. And still spamming

I literally started with explanation why TZs are bad for item finding.
read with understanding (copied from 1st post):

Solution?

  • cap treasure class scaling (will prevent gg item flood)
  • cap ilvl of monsters at 87/89/90 (i think that it should be 86/88/89 but I get it that we want some buffs to MF)
  • change experience penalties system so we get 15-18 % exp from enemies +/- 12levels from character level. This way at 97-98 we will benefit from killing elites in regular zones and from killing any monsters in terror zones.
    Another solution would be changing flat exp multipliers so we get more exp for kills while keeping boss exp caps at same level. That would also give us option to farm packs/ terror zones instead of grinding 3 mobs.
    I’m fine with buffing exp but making it 10 times faster is a bit too much. If you make it 2x faster than what you get on cbaal leveling it will be just fine.
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oh i already gave

for months ive been asking them to make new lvl 99 zones

why?

there are not buffs to MF in the new TZs
just changes to drop tables/TCs

the problem with your math is that you take the highest density area in the game and uses it as reference here

cows wont be always available and when they are, its just for one hour

neither 2x or 10x

taking one single char to lvl 99 solo shouldnt take more than 200h
1400h for one spec for each class sounds fair imo

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now it takes 200-300hours of efficient gameplay.
with terror zones you will see 99s on day2-3
so 48/72hours

“Just” changes loot table. yeah sure… no problem here right? KEKW

I take high density area as an example because this i when people will really grind zones. also you have 4 god tier maps and +/- 8 S tier maps. On GOD tier map you can get 98-99 in 4hours using slaves that wil just be in game. bit far from your 200h lel

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streamers are not reference

200h solo

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go single player if you want to play solo :slight_smile: this is battle.net and here we play together. I’m sorry dude but you need to also include different playstyle in your suggestions :slight_smile:
There are things in Daiblo 2 that you do solo (f.e. holy grail) and others that you do in teams (split MF in p3/5/7, grinding exp). At this point we need more reasons to form teams not to play solo.

What is gonna be your next suggestion for 2.6? everyone gets a copy of every item that drops?

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no. i want cloud saving

talk for yourself

you said yourself
everybody will benefit from TZs
no one is being excluded here, right?

you know that mp wasnt even planed by the orignal diablo devs right?
it was a blizzard entertainment thing

MP doesnt need any reason besides playing with others

if you play MP just bc of the benefits, sry but you dont play MP at all

been asking for an in game auction house where:

  • you sell items for runes or runes for runes
  • there is no BiN/buy out
  • seller is bound to the highest bid/offer

with this AH, we would:

  • kill jsp
  • kill rmt (except for account selling)
  • eliminate(most of it) the profit for botting
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if you want cloud saving for your single player then use google drive and be happy. No need to ruin experience for those who want to use internet to play with other people. Blizzard has enabled modding for D2R so you can make your version of game for single player purpose. Check BTNeanderthal streams, he’s been working on his own patch for D2R and implemented alot of changes. All that for your favorite single player mode

I am talking for myself and everyone else that is using multiplayer features to communicate not isolate

other than people who like to grind, ye. Noone is. It also applies to current state of the game, noone is excluded. I didn’t see any pop-ups with limited access to zones or anything like that.

Yeah sure. Read the first part of this post again.

all I see is opportunity for RMT to take over. Because it makes trades even easier. Even bots would instantly list their finds so there would be high odds that they could run with no human help for weeks

imo JSP is like in-game trade. Just more comfy and easier

you hating on JSP is like I said “Ban USD!! You need it to buy drugs!!”

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no
i paid for the game
i wanna everything in it

how am i ruining your experience?

oh, i mod d2 since highschool
but blizz expressly forbidden hardcode modding
and there is not tcp/ip to play together with mods

off line is not my favorite mode

so im talking for myself and everyone whos dont like the current xp/lvling system

there is no opportunity for rmt with my system

isnt this the point? if not, why keep it harder?

i see no problem with auto listing features, just like traderie has and charges for it
listing would still have pre-determined duration and the highest offer wins

its more like
runes are the currency in my system so its more like “we already have an official money/currency, we dont need any wanna-be dollars here controled by another country”

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so others did and want to enjoy it. And to convince us blizzard said that they will give us D2:LoD vibes not D3. So gathering items requires effort, getting lvls requires effort.

there are competitive people too in this community and they want to compete for weeks not be done after 48/72hours

no TCP/IP only cut’s your IRL income from moding by not letting you host your own server, nothing more.

all you said so far shows that you want to play solo

ye all those people who get bored after 20 baalruns KEKW.

that would only buff botters income. nothing more

trades are easy enough if you use jsp. no need to give another QoL for botters.

oh so I loose the item the second I list it? then I’m forced to take the offer? Why would I? what if I change my mind or someone offers me that one specific item that I need. How do we evaluate items? there is no currency in game so is ber worth 2sur? is my shako worth vex or pul? day1 surely vex+ and now maybe KO. Who will be responsible for it? damn 1minute and so many reasons why in-game auction house is a bad idea

The thing is that items change their relative value in time. On 1st day of the ladder different items are valuable than after a month

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thats not what they said
they said d3 is there for those who wants everything new
and d2:lod is there for those who wants the same
they literally said that in interview

as always

lvling wasnt always hard, it is hard now bc it changed and now is changing again to something more “acessible”

there are better ways to implement competitiveness in the game
why not ask for something like

  • ladder boards for killed monsters in hell
  • ladder boards for killed elites in hell
  • ladder boards for killed act bosses in hell

this way the race will last until the last day of season

this comes from the same guy who asked to not talk about him, but the topic

not 20 runs, but 25k? yeah

it wouldnt

free market cant be easy enough
its always evolving

no, the moment you got an offer/bid

if your listing has finished, yep, you are forced to take the highest offer

oh i forgot to mention

  • there wont be any trade outside the AH

so no more trade window in game

the market does it, people will fight over items until its not worth bid any more

yeah, why not?

buyers will tell

the market sure will adapt to the scarcity of early ladder
wanna list the shako you droped day 1? go ahead, people will bid what they have if they really want it

its an automatic system

no problem, im here to clarify it

as i said, if bidding is completely open, people will bid what they have if they are willing

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I don’t recall farming Terror Zones in vanilla. But speaking of Diablo 3:
Find 3 differences between TZs and Echoing nightmares that were introduces in season 26

There is a difference between free and more accessible

there is no other way to make better leaderboards than you have now. maybe SSF leaderboards for freaks like you.

20runs at ones vs 25k in whole year? yeah

you have free market on JSP (well we do not you, you refuse to use it), and it was ruined by bots. for both pros/casuals/others

so yes. I loose my item when someone bids anything. great idea. it’s a NOPE from anyone that does any trading in this game.

so I can’t drop an item for my friend? D3 vibes again

the market works like this:
if there is 10shakos for sale and 5 people are willing to but them then those 5 people create the price not the seller. And this is the only scenario if blizz don’t fight bots

now go make your own topic about your stupid idea elsewhere :slight_smile:

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i dont get it
i was talking about what d2r devs said

ok, game!
EN:
1- it needs a key to enter
2- it doesnt give you meaningful loot/crafting materials
3- it has exclusive content like that meteors/explosions and that shard we use for augments

by “free” i think of hero editor

what? mine sounds much more interesting and dynamic
think of all the theory-crafting over efficiency something like this would generate

language barrier :brick:

free market with a centralized currency is a paradox

you dont lose it! you get the highest offer

if you wanna help a friend, play with him and let him keep the loot
its your friend right? playing with him wont be a problem

thats exactly how it is in the real world
supply and demand, remember? too many shakos and the prices go down

cmon
its not stupid
i have put alot of work into it

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you clearly don’t get many things

you need the zone to be chosen

it gives you all items in game

this is D3 thing.

all 3 are not showing any real difference between TZ and ENs :slight_smile: just different game and slightly different mechanics. both cases if was giving too much exp and too much loot. They did update it to realistic levels in D3 and I hope for the same here :wink:

again solo gamer mentality. KEKW

sorry this is borring af. noone would care. People want to grind leaderboards and go back to real life :wink:

so I place my griffon on AH and someone offers me PUL rune. noone bids in 10hours, auction ends and I have to sell for PUL? Sorry it’s pure stupidity

but you want to play solo not in team, hello? No dude we don’t want instance loot get out of this forum go diablo 3

as someone with Economy Degree who spent few years on Daily trading I do remember and understand economy quite well.

sorry for your wasted time. Face the reality

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maybe
but its not like your communication is prime

there is always a zone available

on a much smaller scale

imo, the differences were clear

not really, EN benefited solo players the most, reducing (not eliminating) the gap in xp betwen solo and group
sure everybody was hit with the nerf for EN, but for solo players the hit were harder
in the end, groups went back to “rats” and solo is left with a lameass follower

better than leeching my way to the top, i think
still, 200h solo can be called many things but “free”

d3 proves you wrong
people spend the whole season farming to push at the last moment

i find it near impossible for a griffs be sold for a pul, maybe for a sur
but its a fair price im willing to pay to get rid of jsp, rmt and bots

who mentioned instanced loot? just play with your friend and let him grab the loot
you dont wanna play with your friend when he needs help? i thought you wanted to help him

cool
so you can see the perks of my system!

dont be sorry, i really enjoy it
anyway, leveling up in the current system is THE real waste of time

and im facing reality, the reality where jsp, rmt and bots are a problem that have to be solved

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terror zone are straight up nerf to solo play and solo 98-99 progression. lel
you said that you did your own mods for diablo. go to excel and do math instead of typing more useless posts

for levels not kill count

I don’t want to be forced to play with others to be able to trade with them. This is meant to be a choice.

knowing all I know I can’t see any benefit of your system in D2R other than QoL for botters.

it’s a challenge that you’re willing to take if you want to get final end-game achievement

you’re misunderstanding the role of the site like jsp and you can’t see the real needs of other people :wink: You only see your point of view and try to make it easier. Don;t be ignorant and open your mind to different ways of playing the game.

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are you sure? solo baal would take me like 2200-2500 runs
are you saying that devs failed to make TZs more efficient than classic lvling?

well, i did, and TZs still looke better for solo than any of the classic xp runs

are you really saying that the ones with the most xp dont have the highest kill count?

its not trade, its “leave the loot for your friend”

but that would eliminate most reasons to use bot
you sure didnt come up with any way bots would benefit in my system

i dont get it, you wanna a long term challenge or be done with it and go back to your life?

i,and many others, want to get rid of mt and bots and sure jsp users are not moving a finger for this to happen
so, if theres someone who doesnt see the need of others, its jsp users
i think you need to open your mind to an official trade system that has the objective of dealing with rmt and bots