I’ve spent the past few weeks explaining to players about why BoS lvl 9 wasn’t OP and why the old hustle was a healthy addition and buff to the overall melee experience. It expanded the options melee players would have in gearing up to the end game. Some endgame options were made more competitive, but grief was ultimately still the meta option for most builds.
Ultimately, the old hustle allowed for all melee builds to pick up that bonesnap and use hustle as a prebuff to balance out the slow attack speed of weapons of its like. This allowed a melee build to use it all the way to hell or until you got your oath, death or whatever.
But the community deemed it overpowered or too cumbersome to use because prebuffing is apparently bad for builds that usually have nothing on their swap in the midgame besides skill sticks or a lawbringer.
Well who cares about all that? Who needs melee when you have the new and improved busted enchant bowsorc brought to you by Macrobioboi!
Thanks for the great content Macro.
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Making BOS a mandatory prebuff isn’t the solution to poor itemization for physical builds… 
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Except it wasn’t mandatory other than if you wanted to use suboptimal weapons like earthshifter or a cranium basher. Grief, death, ebotd still fared just fine without the BoS depending on your gearing.
And watch the video nothing you say about BoS matters with that in mind.
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So mandatory for virtually all weapon options until you build one of 3 end game runewords…
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Better than having 1 option (oath) until you got those 3 endgame options.
Besides this isn’t about hustle. Watch the video and comment on that instead.
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Thanks for proving my point yet again.
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You proved nothing and hustle isnt even the main topic of this post. Stop detracting from the main topic and watch the video
Sounds like you are desperately trying to get views… why can’t you just write your point?
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I am making fun of this community and the playerbase along with the devs that listen to them by providing juxtapositional irony.
The point of a joke is not to explain the joke.
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Pre-Buff Hustle was like the worst game design of all times.
They should actually fix melee in general, and not include some weird pre-buff, where you have to hit enemies every few minutes for several times to be somewhat decent.
That is not the way to balance melee. We deserve better!
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Ok what’s your solution? Because all i ever see is people say “old hustle was bad for melee” without ever proposing any alternatives.
Also watch the video and then you should realize the folly of “oh hustle was bad/op!” The people who complained about hustle are going to look ridiculous after mosaic lololosins and enchant bowsorcs swarm and ruin the ladder.
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You were correct and it was not overpowered. It’s just people gate keeping the current meta balance.
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Why not old hustle and melee fix? Doesnt have to be either or.
Lvl 9 burst of speed proc on hustle is like stealth, spirit sword, leaf, lore, lower res wand, bo sticks, etc. It provides a cheap option that isnt hard to get early on. Even comes with a tradeoff. Do I take bo sticks, lawbringer, harmony bow, or hustle on swap? 3 minutes and 40 seconds was plenty of time to get something done.
Vipermagi, enigma, hoto, shako, plague, infinity, sunder charms are better than all of those just like faith bow merc is better than hustle, but lvl 9 burst of speed proc is basically like having the ias and frw speed of fanta and vigor without it being tied to your merc or costing a jah rune/might merc in the case of harmony bow. Prebuff sucks but it was for all weapons so you could slap it in your weapob of choice. Flail for mace barb, crystal sword for sword barb, naga or whatever for axe. Worked great for bows too. Using bows before faith is like playing bowazon underwater.
Now we got a weapon that does 180 ed plus 50 skill ed (so not base weapon damage) and good attack speed. Serviceable, but not available until act 1 hell unless you want to do upwards of 200 nightmare countess runs for 9 io runes.
I wish you weren’t so condescending in your posts. For the most part I like your ideas and agree with the outcome. However, the attitude with which you deliver reduces the perceived validity of your points. I’m reluctant to even consider what someone is saying if they say it like a weapon. <3
Just add the 9 BoS to that great physical sunder and have it triggered on melee attacks.
Perhaps lose it if you´re not using a melee weapon, but that might be rough to implement.
I doubt melee would even come close to closing the gap.
This would be a cool change ngl. The funny thing is it still wouldnt make melee op still
this is cool but prebuff is painful, so skip for me
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You dont have to min max the enchant with prebuff. He’s just showing how high you can go (21k enchant with absolute best gear and prebuff).
Without all that prebuff it will still be like 15k-17k
Either way minmaxing an enchant prebuff is viable because a lvl 51 enchant lasts like 20+ minutes lol
ridiculous how every build requires Enigma.
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