No trade?! thats why D3 died. Games suck without trade. And all the people that think they are trading for legit found runes in D2R are mistaken. Without bots running 24 a day the stupid ladder you play wouldnt have the runes everyone wants for the gear they need by the end of the season. Drop rates just arnt there for the casual player. Ive played this game since before there was a stupid ladder. High runes are extremely rare. If D2R had no trade and bots the ladder wouldnt work in 6 months. You would have garbage gear. Drop rates were designed for play over years.
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I like how everything you typed after this sentence describes how trade sucks in D2R… 
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For the unlucky, trade is not the issue, it’s the drop rates they whine about. Open trade is open trade, you either have an item someone wants, or you don’t.
As I posted in a different thread, they don’t want a game that will last 20 years like D2 with a trading system they can’t directly control. Instead they want an entirely closed system they can monitor, and is just bad enough that you’ll buy D5 when it comes out a few years after D4.
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Personally I do not plan to buy D4, because of D3. And because the D2R Ladder first season runewords never did move to NL at the end of the season, like we were promised. If D4 ships and is great… I may have to reconsider, but I sincerely doubt it from the little I have seen of it so far. Trading is only one aspect of the game, there is alot more to it. D2/D2LOD/D2R forever. Long live the King
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i will consider buying d4 once i know how that mtx system will work
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in all likeliness, it’ll appear tolerable until the game has been out for 6 months and isn’t meeting “Financial expectations”, then prepare to want a refund.
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The games are not normally the problem, the players are. Out of D2 LoD spawned a culture of sloth, greed, vanity, envy, anger and pride. From that came 10,000 psychological defects in the player base - both new and old players. Everything has to be BiS based on the math, asap, there is no emphasis on developing skill - just get rushed, buy the best stuff, then farm easy areas by spamming a skill. So few can do or are interested in self found, self made metas and light trading in game among friends. The franchise is a sinkhole filled with mostly beta man-babies screaming me me me while pointing at anyone and everyone else as the problem.
Personally I think trading should be restricted to nonladder. That will show everyone exactly how bad the majority of the player base really is at playing the actual game.
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i dont ask for refund for a 2h long bad movie so i wont ask for something that gave me hundreds of hours of entertainment before it went sht
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you’re nicer than me, especially with the movie bit
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Good good, its all going acccording to plan.
Stupid low drop rates don’t work for a general player base when games are designed around seasonal content/resets. Before Ladder resets, you had all the time in the world. During a seasonal model, you are time gated to complete certain gearing. 1.13 bumped the HRs to a more reasonable rate, but the way the old game handled seasonal gated content was very bad. D2R handles it better, especially considering the targeted length is 4 months instead of the 6 months to a year the original was.
Again, this is a fine target when the game doesn’t have seasonal timed events (ladder resets).
You’re argument is also very circular. You complain about no trade, and without trade, you won’t complete builds because it would take too long, yet you want items to be rare, and not for the casual player. You will forever loop around with that line of thought.
D3 vanilla came out in 2012, RoS in 2014. D4 won’t be out until 2023. We’re looking at 11 years of D3, with D4 already having a live service model readily planned which was not the case with D3, and I fully expect the game will get multiple expansions. I wouldn’t expect D5 out for another decade or so, if they don’t decide to end the story of Sanctuary and Diablo with D4s expansions.
You buy cosmetics, mounts if you want them. Purchase an expansion down the line, rinse and repeat. You purchase enhanced battle passes if you want quicker progression to store cosmetics. There was a whole blog on the mtx.
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they saying and they doing are two completely different things
we shall see
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People need to let the Immortal boogeyman die. It was a collaborative development between Blizz and a Chinese gacha game company strictly for cell phone gaming. While Cheng stretched the truth of reality on the pay to win aspect of the game, Blizzard has been clear with their direction for D4, which is par for the course for most any modern game anymore. Even highly regarded games still have mtx shops these days.
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this isnt about diablo franchise only
its about blizz it self
If you think Blizzard is the only gaming company that has scandals, or has garnered player hate…They are just the most publicized about for the last couple of years, outside of Square-Enix (which takes a lot of flak since the merger, just as ActiBlizz has).
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i dont know what point you trying to make here
but i gonna try to be as much clear as i can now
i feel that blizz is not doing a good job to present good products for their costumers/fans
so, im gonna wait and see
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Multiple expansions? Only if they’re 60 bucks a pop and filled with micros. Otherwise, I don’t think so.
Blizzard could have stepped in to stop the whole legendary gem P2W.
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You can feel that way, and I’m not privy to WoW stuff, but it seems Diablo has been doing fine. We’re not talking about a company with a massive amount of IPs and multiple releases year-round. So I’ll default to it feels you are letting the company’s shameful moments tarnish your decision, especially revolving around mtx (your initial post in this thread).
That was a planned design element, it’s how they expected to make money from the game, especially to continue development on it. They sold it terribly to the public, by stretching the limits of the truth in a dubious, unclear way.
One of the biggest, talked about MMOs besides WoW is FF14, still going strong after 9 years, with regular expansion releases every 2 years (cheaper than the base game originally was), and still runs an mtx shop, filled with more than simple cosmetics/mounts (they sell extra inventory space, level/story skips, etc). The only major difference is that you have to log into the store outside of the game, where D4 will have it in game. Granted, the game has a sub fee, but I’d say the sub fee revenue is pennies compared to the shop.
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I will not be spending my money on it for one reason, Diablo III.
I waited long time for that game and it was garbage and took years for it to be anything close to good.
So I will wait and watch and see how the game plays and what they have planned for it.
Loot 2.0 right near the DLC pack in Diablo III was a complete trash move. I didn’t play it for years after that.