Thank God. Now there is a reason to roll something else in Hell, like it was before the disastrous season 2. While I would have loved rune and gem stacking or a currency tab to go with this, I’m super happy they came to the right conclusion on the cold sunder.
I mean, this still has to be tested, but it looks like you won’t just be able to steamroll hell countess with a cold sorc anymore.
If only there was a public way to test this on the realms before the patch was finalized. Some kind of Public Test Realm.
Would be nice, wouldn’t it
Cold Mastery still op. It just went from extremely overpowered to “just” overpowered early ladder.
You will still steamroll such a low hp mob as hell countess. ROFL
Back to fire/cold hybrid sorc I go. No need to use a sundering charm either. It worked for many years, it can work again.
I think a 1/2 or 1/3 CM nerf would have been more appropriate. Yes I agree it was too OP without any reduction.
So you steamroll with a lit sorc instead for rune/key farms? Cold wasn’t even the endgame for S2 sorcs.
Countess was never a problem for a semi-capable, poorly geared, 1/2 asleep, drunk Sorceress player with a broken mouse hand.
There’s always a reason to roll anything anyone wants. We get to Choose. That’s the freedom of this game.
Sunder or no. CM nerf or no.
Play what brings you satisfaction and joy.
No but cold is all you needed from day one to efficiently farm your Infinity. But before season 2, it was appropriate to roll something else. Which means you were having a reason to find new gear that wasn’t just gg.
Not for anybody who can’t enjoy games unless they are playing them efficiently, which is a large chunk of the demographic here. I envy those who can just play for novelty purposes.
It was always appropriate to roll something else. Cold is the safest low gear options, but lit was still a perfectly fine low gear sorc for many farms. Hybrid nova sorcs could also farm just about anything in the game. This idea that cold sorc was too strong has never been substantiated.
You’re correct.
Pound for pound - Cold WAS too strong for the price point, entry level gear vs what it could clear WITH Sunders being in the game.
The 1/5 nerf though is simply too much. There was no testing. Granted I admit I’m saying this as a possible slightly reactionary statement.
I’m working up the motivation to respec and try to align my Sorc Live with current patch.
I don’t know if we’re talking about the same thing. Lightning sorc is not viable until Infinity. I’m talking about the game before infinity – which for more players is their entire game.
By the time you got to hell to farm countess, for example, your cold sorceress wasn’t going to cut it. Better to roll something else at that point. Cold sunder eliminated that.
I mean more power to you if you’re playing lightning sorceress before getting infinity. But a lot of people can’t enjoy the game without playing it efficiently. And playing lightning sorc before infinity is very inefficient.
its not a 1/5 nerf. its 80% nerf to cm. cm could hit 200 before and now 40% -cr is the max. cold sorc needs some sort of compensation soon like faster FO or blizzard.
We’re talking about early cold sorc vs early lit sorc farming. You can also throw in fire sorc. They can all farm different things, and cold sorc was never outright better than either one. They all had different niches dictated by immunities. Lit sorc had the most room to scale, and still does, thanks to Infinity existing. Even with the introduction of sunder charms, lit was still the endgame build for sorcs, not cold. Cold wasn’t even ahead of fire.
The ire directed at cold sorcs in S2 was completely overblown.
I’m here for me.
I don’t stream or make YTube vids or walk the jsp Catwalk with “I’m a Model” or some Eurobeat playing in the background.
I like off-builds as much as brainlessly fast and efficient ones.
It’s sad enjoyment cannot be had with all builds for people, yet kind of sort of human nature to follow the path of least resistance, No?
I mean people spend significant amounts of money early on to have the best toys.
It takes all types.
Thankfully there’s room for everyone here 
Just undo all the 1/5 nerfs. They’re unnecessary and they remove anything that these sunder charms have added to build diversity.
I think cold sorcs shouldn’t be able to kill cold immunes. I think the game is going back to a place where it should be.
My nonladder cold sorceress uses Static Field and just lets my Insight-wielding mercenary kill the Countess when I run her. Is it slightly slower? Sure, it loses about 10 seconds for the mercenary to kill the countess (mostly because he often wastes time killing her minions). But this was entirely possible with fairly budget gear before Sunder charms existed.
Wait what?
Sunders…??? What would the point of them be?
Fire - ok.
Lite - ok.
Cold - Nope.
Poison - ok?
Confused about this line of reasoning.
Is AMP ok?
Yeah I mean that’s perfectly fine to advocate for changes in a way that you like. That’s your prerogative. Then mine is to advocate for the game that I like, which has been d2 for quite long time now. Immunities and all.
I’m just willing to bet that a lot more people side with me on this issue than you. But that’s not really relevant to whether you should post your opinion. But it’s certainly a metric blizzard would be interested in.
Also, I’m unfamiliar with what streamers say about this. And I don’t really care.
Immunities aren’t good in a game with synergies choking out hybrid builds. If you want immunities, then get rid of synergy, buff skill damage across the board to compensate, and let players create their hybrids to deal with multiple immunities while they farm. That’s actually engaging.
What we have instead is a hard set rule that the only good farming builds will be lightning builds with Infinity, and even with these sunder charms, Blizzard saw fit to nerf the most relevant piercing effects to maintain that paradigm. It’s idiotic.