Trading is a problem in d2 and everyone assumes its because of d2jsp. When in fact they are the solution weather you like it or not.
Let me give you 1 simple example.
Lets say i got a high maras and want to trade it for a shako and magefist.
Seams simple huh. All i got to do is find someone willing to trade me what i want for what i got. So i make game maras for description
description is my 28 maras for your random shako and mage fist. Seams easy right.
I make game and sit in it for 2 hours and no one comes with my iso for my offer. So it is hard to find someone who has exactly what i want for what i got but i can sell it on jsp for 80fg to whoever then use that forum gold to buy the shako from whoever for 60fg then buy the mage fist from who ever for 20fg and it will take about 15 minutes at most. now im moving on with my new items.
What this shows is d2 does need some kind of trading other than in game.
They need there own trading forum either like jsp or something like the Grand exchange in rune scape. D2jsp only thrives because there is nothing else similar to it and in game trading sucks.
Now you say the botters mess everything up and devalue items is that cause you use jsp also because we find the same thing the botters find just not in the same volume.
I personally dont have a problem with botter they are better than dupers atleast their character made the game, killed the monster, picked up the loot same as i would if manually playing. Dupers on other hand make copies of items and either combine runes to get new id tag or simple copy item with last rune not installed then install it and get new id tag.
Say what you want but the botters character made game, killed boss, picked up loot in his game.
Maybe instead of complaing how about try to come up with a solution or idea.
Great, another JSP thread. Just what we need. There is already another one rolling, why couldn’t you have posted your opinions on that one?
Says the great one…
Always has to put his 2 cents in on everyones thread. Maybe you might have a solution to jsp or do you really enjoy ingame trading.
I would almost bet you have a d2jsp account…
Hey no need to get after darkjedi, he is a good poster round these parts. I agree with you OP but indeed another thread was not needed, none of these are new arguments…
I mean I do have one but beyond that your post is largely right and he was largely right that you probably could have just posted in the other JSP thread. There are other options for trading such as discord/traderie that do work better than in game trading, but they still don’t work nearly as well as JSP.
To be honest. The current dev team, nor any current player, none could make up a good trade system better than JSP. In game lacks a common currency it only has semi-currencies. And I don’t know how you make one like Blizz Gold and have it actually have any value in game. Unfortunately because of game design nothing will ever change, so I’ll see yall on JSP or see yall AFK in that P1 trade game wasting time. Either way I’ll be playing more because of it.
Players have offered Idea’s, its not the players that need to come up with a solution, Blizzard/activision or who ever owns diablo needs to either decide on which solution works best and maybe go with it, or come up with their own idea.
1.Some type of Auction house. A auction house that allows you to post Multiple items for maybe 1 item, example Offer 5pgems 2um’s a shako for Vex rune. i dunno.
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2. Some type of currency that cant be found in game either every player, or Account starts off with lets say 100 DG go with diablo gold or what ever they want to call it, maybe 100 more can be purchased same way a wow token can be purchased. Now d2 has a currency have some type of disclaimer, all DG not used by end of season will be expired or maybe turned into a type of currency that only works in Non ladder., then at start of new season everyone starts off again with 100 dg… These are ideas I have seen floating around.
Any idea still wont kill jsp, atleast not 100% there are people with 100k+ fg I cant see those people starting over with a new currency or using another option.
I don’t think blizz is capable of making a better concept than JSP for D2R that is.
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In your first scenario that AH is stil slower than trading on JSP
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In scenario 2 I don’t fully understand about wow token elaborate for me? Also, what gives DG value? If there is nothing making it more useful that simply it’s addition to the game, then it will never actually have any value in game. It would be valued less than IGG at that rate, unless there is someting I don’t understand about a WoW token that changes that.
Nah, of course they are capable but it all comes down to money. Plus even if d2r got the greatest trading system, do you think blizz will all of a sudden sell millions and millions of the game like they did with d3? Remember, they’ve only sold like 6 million copies of d2r while d3 sold over 30 mill…
There is no fully complete number of sales for D2R is there?
Beyond that though nothing they do for this game is worth their time monetarily I don’t think. Even if they released a further expansion for 10 or 20 dollars and did all the fixes we want I couldn’t see that being worthwhile. Really if you were going to look at money and I was working for blizz it would be 3month ladders, ban all bots 2 months into ladder after they’ve made money to rebuy their keys before next ladder. That is literally all you need to do is figure out how to keep spotting the bots.
But not really overall I don’t think that D2R conceptually has an AH that could ever work as well as JSP unless Blizz itself mimiced JSP, but then how do people get their origional source of BLizzard gold? Thats the thing if you don’t mimic the common currency on top of the ease of access of that forum, then JSP is still faster, so your in game AH would be used maybe, but I wouldn’t switch to it. I just don’t see how you get to a common currencey for fast moving sales in D2R. I guess you could sort of set it and forget it which would be nice, but you’d still be waiting for a trade you actually find desirable and would be limited on how many items you could list at once.
Blizz released some press release in the middle of last year. But yes, it is clear that this game is not a priority for them when wow and now immortal absolutely dwarf the returns made off d2r… people are expecting too much by thinking d2jsp is going to ever be dealt with, blizz creating a new internal trading system, etc… I can only imagine d2r must be a horrendous game to code, probably a lot more time consuming than developing immortal…
Well the point i was trying to get across was don’t blame jsp for the lack of in game trading on d2. It is very painful to try to trade ingame and d2jsp works so well and is ez to use.
Yes i use it now and have since 2007. i wasnt trying to belittle dark jedi about useing it was just stating that most do because in game trading sucks.
Also instead of just complaining about in game trading deficiencies lets suggust some suggestions that might get something started for a new trade system. Do i have the answer NO but with all the games and trading out there people know better ways than in game trading. Jsp still has flaws with scams and such and i suppose nothing is going to be perfect but i know jsp in the beggining gave fg away for just posting, thats how they got started and it has snowballed from there to a premire trading site.
D2r really has no way to generate money other than thru bans… and game iiception like rewite of d2 to d2r. now most have already bought the game money influx is small so as of now we are getting a few new rune words and terror zones with no money coming in how long will that last a yaer or 2 at most then it will be like the regular d2 where they will just show jimbo where the rest button is and thats all that we are going to get.
Now if they will come up with a trade system that can generate money because like on jsp people will buy forum gold and being they are blizzard they could sell runes and items for those that would just buy from outside venders. Blizz would make money and maybe have it to where we could have a few people paid on there side to see that we can continue to get something other than just a plain rest.
Dark Jedi i wasnt trying to be little you in any way and for that i do apologize. When people post they are looking for a response of some type. I always would like to see people maybe have a suggestion to fix a problem even if its not the right one instead of them just posting oh no not another post about this or that.
I guess in the first Scenario, it might be just as fast as jsp, assuming people would actually use it. for example I list the things mentioned 5pgems 2um’s a shako, Once I post those specific items, they are no longer in my stash but the Auction house. I am wanting lets say Vex rune as mentioned. You are killing mobs You find a vex rune, OMG why do diablo gods hate me should of been a ber, F this Vex, you leave game and go to auction house You use drop down menu select vex looking offers. Maybe you see 20 people looking for a vex, all have different offers, You see my offer, you get excited for it, you accept offer, the vex rune disappears from your stash the 5pgems 2um’s and shako go to a separate window for you in the d2 screen maybe on log character selection screen Click here to have Auction house items sent to stash.
scenario 2, If your not familiar with WoW, they sell wow tokens for Real Money i think it’s $20 USD, which then can be sold on auction house in game for what ever amount of gold it is worth at the time…Except in d2 its worth only a specific amount never fluctuates I dont know how it would work with D2, but i have seen that idea floating around i was trying to describe how i seen it wrote a year or 2 ago right before d2r was released and Jsp had a forum topic with probably 2k+ reply’s
First scenario relies on the player with Vex wanting a shako + 2 ums + 5pgems. But what if they want 5puls or have no use for ums or don’t care about pgems? Then your trade is now sitting there hoping someone needs that offer. Now it could happen, but no matter what JSP would be faster. Now if someone who has vex wanted a shako, your offer is probably good, but you cannot garuntee A. that they want a shako or B. that your additions are valuable enough to be worth giving up a vex for. How do they then contact you to say hey you needd to add 10 more pgems and a pul? No matter what item:items trades will always be more complicated. Though an AH would certainly be more smooth than the current in game trading situation.
The token concept is interesting, but I don’t see how that addresses a common currencey. The token would just be another item in the item pool at that point wouldn’t it? Or would collecting tokens represent value?
No no, so lets say you have vex, You visit auction house,
You put in the selection I have Vex, Or maybe there is a drop down menu for runes, you select vex you not really looking for anything in particular so you would like to see offers
so in the next dropdown menu you select something or leave it blank and maybe leaving it blank just shows everyone who is looking for a vex, so it gives you a list of people who are looking for a vex,
so you see 1-5-20-40-100 different people/options,
maybe someone is offering 5xpuls, another player may offer 40pgems +1 fal rune or any mid lvl rune, another play may have anni small charm. So these players are using a different drop down menu cause they are looking for a specific item the Vex, You however are Looking for players wanting a vex,
Player1 has vex -----> looking for offers. You didnt post the vex you are just scrolling through all the players that want it.
All other players Place item or items in some type of window all this for Vex. maybe a 24 hour timer on it. if no one wanted your crap in 24 hours the items go back to your stash.
Yeah I got you, it shows you more options which is great. It still doesn’t guarantee you’ll like any of their offers for your vex, and unless you’re lucky traing on JSP would be just as quick.
I have vex, I want shako, um um, pul. I list that cool. Maybe I get lucky and someone instantly takes that deal, but in the meantime I’m farming without a shako on. The um um pul is just value because my vex is worth more than a shako (numbers aren’t exact obviously).
Meanwhile on JSP the vex is already sold, I do a quick search for “shako” boom I’m done my char is complete. I have extra FG leftover on my acct. I can choose to buy um um pul if I want/need, but I’m no longer searching. You can trade a vex off in under a minute and purchase a shako in under a minute. meanwhile waiting for that perfect trade even on the AH doesn’t mean it will come quickly. Then you also have to throw in qualifiers. The shako can’t be eth so you have to edit that possibility out of your post. Also there is a difference in stats on a shako and most uniques where you’d need to specific the acceptable range. And if there is a rage on a valued unique then the offers would need to change right?
you’re cheating, you’re using a botting website, you’re paying to win, forum gold is bought with real money, D2jsp is not easier than using discord to trade it’s just easier to trade real money for items there.
JSP isn’t cheating. JSP isn’t a botting website. Almost nobody donated to that site. Forum gold is received as appreciation for a donation. It is not sold. JSP is easier than using discord for sure.
D2JSP could have been great as a trading platform if it didn’t fail in the most important part … First no FG reset at ladder launch and second, You can use real money.
D2JSP is the greatest trading platform LOD and D2R have ever seen.
It is unfortunate that there isn’t a reset option and that real money is applied.
On the note of reset fg, prices are too high early ladder, most don’t use it. A ber rune could cost you 30k early on. So, even if someone bought it, that doesn’t really affect you. You were never going to be in position that early to trade for it anyway.
And nobody is out there buying FG to buy D2R items. I know people correlate it that way, but when any RMT site is about 10% of the cost why would you waste time buying fg to then go find osmeone on JSP to trade, when you can buy what you want straight up for cash.
You are right about the first 2 weeks of the ladder… but then everyone who had a D2JSP account is mile ahead of anyone who was playing without it on the ladder.