literally lied to our faces again. said early access wont effect seasons, then added lillith race at release. lies lies lies. incoming loot boxes for $$$ i dont doubt.
14 Likes
Who cares? Honestly it is a video game, just a video game. How does someone killing Lillith before you impact your life or even gameplay? It’s not like you’re going to be the first one to kill her anyways. And if they add loot boxes then so be it, if fools want to part with their money then so be it. Just choose not to buy loot boxes if you disagree with it.
10 Likes
“its just a video game” has the same idea behind it as “its just a joke”. its not just a video game, its a product that is being paid for. and everything is fair for criticism. you can’t not hold companies liable… what a pushover take. what a great first post
19 Likes
It’s not just a video game. It’s the action behind it… and it’s happening to all our favorites. We still vote with our money and thoughts like that is what keeps perpetuating it.
10 Likes
They said no p2w, but they let you start 4 days earlier then other if you pay more and buy the Ultimate Edition, in a game were usually time is power.
They broke that promise far before even going live and announced it proudly.
So this isn’t anything new.
They will get away with it though as this is just the norm nowadays and people are use to picking up the soap, hell some will even defend them.
This will be the first diablo I don’t buy at launch and very likely the first diablo I will never play.
16 Likes
In that case pretty much every game is p2w. I mean d2 being on sale? P2w. Ppl who paid full price got access to it earlier.
D3 went on sale years after? Same here p2w. Why u acting like this is something new? Most product cost more at release.
3 Likes
It’s actually funny. The start doesn’t have a leaderboard. So, Blizzard makes a hardcore leaderboard in the form of a statue. Said leaderboard will be permanent. The only way to get get on said leaderboard is to pay for an extra 4 days of early playtime.
Pay to play is strong with this game. Yet, the Blizzard cheerleader squad is in full force on the forums defending that this isn’t pay to play.
It doesn’t matter though, the launch will probably go about as good as every other diablo release where the game is unplayable for most the first 2 days and everyone quits. The streamers will still manage to be the only ones online as usual.
5 Likes
I wonder what other pay 2 ??? mechanics are hiding in D4. I guess we will all find out soon
Yes, because those that want the game usually have it already so they try to convince the maybe or when it becomes cheaper people to buy the product, those aren’t the people that would care for the race to the top.
Especially now it’s digital it doesn’t really cost anything extra for the company.
This however is not that, this isn’t well if you want to give it a try you can do it for less, it’s not about paying full price it’s about paying extra.
It’s also not about experiencing the game earlier either, yes that’s what Blizzard would state but not what they think, the character is not going to be deleted so you had your early experience, but no real gain except maybe a bit of experience that might make your start faster.
This is, if you don’t want to be left behind you need to pay premium, targetting that fear of missing out.
This is predatory tactics.
Set in stone…or knowing Blizzard something cheap, maybe 3d print 
But yeah more incentive to pay extra, more aiming for that FOMO.
My guess would be experience boosters and maybe when crafting becomes important you can buy crafting mats or better drops/more time in dungeons where they drop.
Possibly increased magic find.
I mean it’s not pay to win because everyone can get those, they just have to put in more time and time is clearly not P2W in their book, 4 days early start is not P2W according to them either.
Then again I guess botting isn’t cheating either, everyone can find those items if they put in the time!
2 Likes
Early adopters. Caring about the race or not is irrelevant. Blizzard is a business and obv they will use marketing tricks to earn more. Again paying extra for early release is not something new and pretty much the standard. A company who wouldnt abuse this would be considered fools. However there is no ladder for d4 at release.
Thats totally irrelevant. That never mattered, its only what they wanted u to believe. Back in the days they made sure to only ship a certain amount of copies to keep the demand high to make ppl willing to pay more. This was even a thing in the 80s. And yes pretty much every company did this back in the day. Ppl who run a business known this for decades.
Or u can argue that it goes on sale 4 days after release. Atleast they give u info about when it will be a sale. Again nothing new. Ppl know they have to pay more than those who are willing to wait. Or u trying to tell me u dont know that?
Early adopters. U want to be one of the first to have the product. Companies abused those for ages. New tv, new phone etc etc. Games done this aswell the difference here is that they announce that the game will be cheaper for those who are willing to wait. Its a standard rly. Not saying u like it but its been like that for many many many years.
This is marketing. All kinds of marketing is to make ppl buy. This is simply one of kotlers tactics which he explain in “principles of marketing”. One of the most famous books about matketing and pretty much everyone who knows anything about marketing are influenced by his findings. He is considered a marketing guru and for good reasons. He is responsible for several noble prices in economics.
1 Like
People that preorder games deserve to get screwed over lol.
3 Likes
To you, to them it is.
You didn’t really understand what I meant I guess, I mean it cost little to no effort or resource to just throw a sale, not argueing that shipping costs etc make up for the price difference.
Yes you could argue that, it would not be the truth however, but yeah you could argue that if you really want.
Sure I do, I wasn’t the one saying a discount later on is the same thing as using FOMO.
And they are predatory tactics as well, designed to use human flaws against them.
Not sure Kotler has to do with this actually, it’s not about whether it is an effective tactic, it’s whether you think it is ethically sound or you disapprove of it.
I obviously disapprove of predatory tactics.
Not the same, yes you could argue if you really want, but it simply is not true and I think you know that damn well.
You might not judge a company on their behavior, I do, I don’t like having to pick up the soap so I stop paying companies who ask me to do that.
2 Likes
blizzard activision are just evil they will do anything to sell a few mtx . i will dont buy d4 and maybe never play . i will find something else to play compare to get rip off
6 Likes
banned again on d4 for expressing opinions about ptw… This is getting ridiculous.
5 Likes
U rly dont understand marketing…it has nothing to do with what matters to me.
What im saying is that its irrelevant. None of that mattered. They doing what will earn them more money. In this case they using a basic marketing tactic which companies done for ages. However for some reason ppl are surprised that blizzard does it.
So ppl who preordered any game doesnt know that the game is cheaper later? Ppl who preorder are willing to pay extra. Blizzard simply stating it in their advertisement.
U call it whatever u want. Blizzard is a company not a charity. They will market their product just like every other company.
Kotler studied humans behaviour/psychology and intergrated it into business and marketing. He did research on how to sell more based on human behaviour. Again he is the marketing guru for a reason.
Its marketing. Do u believe marketing is ethical? If not, what u gonna do about it? Its todays standard and been for many many years.
Its true. Just because u been blind that doesnt make it untrue.
They want to make money. Just like u want their product cheaper so u can save some money. How are u any better?
Doesnt matter. Blizzard choose the tactic because it earns them more money. Cant rly blame them. If u had your own company u would do the same. The ppl who wont buy the game because of the current price will buy it on sale.
The social justice warriors none in the real world care about.
I fail to see the point here, theyre trying to generate hype and increase sales of the game.
Its a cool thing to do for those interested.
Pay to win is if they’d put items and the like inside loot boxes or battlepass that severely alter gameplay in favour of those who pay money.
Whinge post is cringe post
4 Likes
Wrong forum. Stop spamming.
Take it to the proper forum.
Mods need to enforce the rules.
you fail to see how paying $20 for a head start in a race, isn’t pay2win? hah hahah hahhhaaa
Publicly traded companies always, always put stakeholders and shareholders first. It’s no secret anymore that publicly traded companies are anti consumer on practice. Companies which aren’t publicly traded rarely ever have this problem as it is solely the discretion of upper management on how important the customer is which unsurprisingly is all customer.
It should be made illegal. I detest the whole concept of a publicly traded company. I do understand it helps companies to grow but what kind of growth is good when it’s anti customer in nature?