Are people on Traderie the worst types of traders?

These dudes cancel on you if you don’t respond in 20 min after you make an offer. Its usually from the asia server.

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They’re likely players in internet cafes, so they’re pressed for time anyway. They’re probably posting the same item on several different trade sites to see where they get the first bite.

If you don’t like it, don’t trade there. :man_shrugging:

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Maybe they cancle the trade because they found someone else, maybe even a better offer, who knows.
When I used traderie sometimes people needed a day to answer when I offered an item, it was annoying and I mostly been able to find another offer. Ofen I looked out for people offering items for the ones I have, instead of listing my items.

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I prefer using Traderie over JSP though. Nice thing about Traderie is it shows all the items’ attributes and you can set the value of them. And there is no FG involved…

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Traderie traders are ok, I used to do drop trades all the time, sometimes it was like 100xRals, never was cheated once, whene it cames to not repling after making trade offer i did that too, one can simply forget, most of the trades are done withing 30 min, back in a day in games like Mu Online people where leaving trade charcters in game for hours to sell anything.

Only bad thing about JSP is that non-ladder FG can be used at ladder start, other than that its a greate forum, i dont care about RMT, some people work all the time and dont have the time to grind for stuff but want to enjoy game like others. I also dont care about d2honorbaal games and use them all the time. If people bot and get way ahead its good that some of them make games for others to get some fast exp in return. They could just set bots for themself and get all the profit. Blizzard wont be able to keep up with bots anyway, and people who dont have much time to play (most of the people) can profit from fast exp and RMT items, if they are smart they wont use RMT becouse endgame is grind for items and if you buy all the items there is no more fun.

Also dont go for set-in stone JSP rune prices (some one claimed that few years old topic was the guide). How this be accurate if it does not include runes/lenght of ladder? Runes value do to new runewords/builds etc. ?

Fastest way to get scammed is to trade in game (lobby offers) not knowing the prices. I offered items for 0.5 Ber less than cheapest listing on traderie and people still wanted to offer less than that

For example if you know prices with few bulk trades you can get Ist for about 6 Rals, no low offers no cheating. If 70ral is Jah, than if Jah is 12 Ist, than why people ask 12-15 ral for Ist? They sell cheap and dont know it, than other people do the same when they sell Ist. Its changing day by day i know, but 70ral=Jah is standard on non-ladder from what i know. And if crafters would not make profit on ingerediences they would not buy them in bulk. So like in real life, if you have less then others you will get even less for it …

I say, trade in lobby for faster trades but first check traderie for prices or if its someting very rare check JSP and try to convert FG listings prices there to current ladder progress and therefore runes or other stuff you have to offer.

There is a page called:
d2trader net rune prices
its updated daily, not very precise but good place to start

Tradery is a help, but it’s also a torture. The Asians are the worst. They partly expect that, at some point, when they deal with you, you’ll be there. It’s like I’m waiting for them to chat in a minute to 10 hours. If you’re not there in those two minutes, the deal is dead.

And then it’s those Asians who are there collecting their previously sold RMT runes for ridiculous prices on high-end runes.

Nobody can find the mass of runes, legally. Those made-up prices there, they’re all just arbitrary, but they’re just arbitrary in the RMT market. Any item that’s just as common as any other item will cost 10 times as much because you know these are the best builds.
So the items are not rarer, so it kind of justifies that. It’s just a fake rip-off shop. There’s more Griffons than Druids Manes, pages by pages, miles, but the fictional prices for them aren’t sustainable.

If you try to buy anything with your miserably harvested runes, you’re going to be blown down. If you compare the whole RMT market with the traderie prices, you immediately notice the context. There’s a huge RMT market behind it. All the items that these bots and farm boys find are getting the runes back in.

You wonder, how do they manage to get millions of higher runes within a few days of ladder launch? They’re going to have to elevate all the low runes non-stop. But if there were dogs or more people sitting on the chord non-stop, you could certainly create high-end runes. And then you get it all in through the trading sites – the runes that players find and pay for these silly prices.

Even if a trade doesn’t go well, the evaluation is not there at all, because nobody wants to pick each other up a negative vote. So bad evaluations are rather rare and if they do, it immediately gives a revenge evaluation. So it should actually be a fair faction watching the trades and then looking at who deserves a good or bad evaluation when arguing.

If you try to create normal prices for other players, the Asians immediately buy you out of hand, only to make it x times more expensive later on. Conversely, in the game you can directly trade the same item 10x cheaper. It takes only a long time and is very comfortable. You can use tradery, I do, but there are downsides. I can always shake my head when I read again how much JAH and BER runes, usually the Asians collect.

it’s called supply and demand. The more requested item will sell for more than the one which noone needs. Even if their drop chance is equal.
Take Mang Song - one of the rarest items in the game. And people give itaway for free because noone would pay for it.
Look at torches. Same chance for each class. Yet sorc are expensive, pala so-so and the rest is dirt cheap (unless perfect). Why? Sorc is the most common class, so the sorc torch is most sought after.

Most popular build for the most popular class? Lightning sorc.
One of the best mass killers? Lightning fury zon.
Another great mass killer and superb boss killer? Spearzon.
What do they all need as BiS helmet?
Mosaic sins. Helmet?
Lightning sentry sins. Helmet?
Heck, every HSdin would use griffon if Dream RW weren’t a helmet.

People are impatient. They rather pay more and get it now than look for the best deal which will take time.

Why do you consider a cancelled trade a personal attack? They might need the trade now, and if it’s cancelled it’s probably because you’re not offering something super rare - they can get it quicker from another trade, so why not?

I know the logic behind it. But it’s just greed and nothing more and it’s a fact that these ‘prices’, invented as they are, originate from RMT and that is still considered normal and not ‘should be forbidden’, because RMT is against the normal game principle and against the com that doesn’t want to pay money.

Basically, the runes are no longer runes at all, they have become a kind of shop currency that is divided into different sizes, which in turn are based on which runes are used the most and give the best RW.

Then, according to the logic of the game, a Cham rune, for example, should be more valuable than a BER or Lo or JAH, because these are even higher and correspondingly harder to obtain. The fact that the Cham rune is inferior is also 80% due to the RMT, because otherwise this rare rune would be considered very valuable purely on the basis of the game mechanics.

The RMT and the fact that it runs without restriction via sites like traderie is therefore a crime against the game and the players. The only benefit is that it makes everything more available and people eventually get a lot of things for free.

It’s like the Baalrun bot. Basically it prevents people from playing better together, but it’s also very useful for brain afk lvl without effort.

If the game mechanics were to be based on the mass of people, then we would be at prices of Lum - Ohm runes, rare Lo and higher would be quite rare and not standard.

The value of Cham has nothing to do with botting nor RMT sites using runes as currency. The rarity of an item doesn’t give it value. A tyreals is one of the rarest thing in the game, but has almost no trade value due to it having near zero demand for use. The same applies to cham. Your logic here is entirely flawed.

RMT has nothing to do with traderie what so ever. The benefit of traderie is that it provides a platform where people can find other traders far more easily than in game which is setup horribly which has always been an issue and is now even more of an issue with chat being dead, chat channels being in worse shape, spam being flooded, and the game list being trash.

Even in the early D2R ladder and when we had various ban waves back in LOD, the value of runes were similar, there was just less of everything. Yes, bots and RMT sort of speed up decay, but value was still the same.

Oh yes it does, man. At the beginning of the season it was amazing how many OHM runes I was able to get traded to me for from loot from Andy! It is not a coincidence that Ohm runes were actually priced the same as vex runes at the time.

How do you think it is possible for an item to be worth 10 Jah runes?

Yeah, that has nothing to do with RMT… As for ohm being worth near vex, that is due to the supply side from botters, and has nothing to do with RMT existing. Even when markets didn’t die as quickly as they do right now, eventually ohm became near the level of vex regardless.

As for an item being worth 10 jah runes, I’m not sure your point? There are indeed items that far exceed the value of 10 jah runes I’m not sure how that confuses you? Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you’re attempting to get at, but there certainly items that have more value.

have you ever found 10 Jah runes?
Where do people get all the jah runes from?
How many things are for trade on traderie asking “10 jah runes”?
What about people who trade Jah for 70 Perfect Amethyst? Where do the jah runes come from there?

First reset of D2R I found 27 runes vex+, and while I played way too much for the first probably 5 or 6 weeks, I didn’t play the last month or so at all. And while I was playing in 100% optimal settings almost always doing a solo P8 diablo run inside of a baal run, and trying to hit up LK as well, I did find quite a few of those high runes. I don’t think my JAH count was that high, but it was over 5. Regardless NONE of that has anything to do with the subject we’re talking about.

Botting, farming, cycling out trades as jah’s are currency for everyone not just RMT users.

Probably plenty, but that doesn’t change the point I was making either.

Again, still not on point, it doesn’t matter what Jah’s are used for or their trade rate.

I feel like you’re missing the point. RMT has nothing to do with traderie. RMT exists elsewhere and people might use those means to trade on that site, but that doesn’t make that site RMT oriented. Just as if your discord D2 group might have a map hacker, it wouldn’t make everyone who has ever joined that discord a map hacker. And that extends to everything else as well.

Im saying traderie inflates the value of items because you can simply trade to people who are willing to use real money to buy jah runes. Thats where most of the jah runes on bnet come from or those that are botted themselves.

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Botting devalues the most common of necessary items, traderie has no part in that. The same trade would happen if traderie didn’t exist be it on JSP or some other trade forum or in game or on your favorite discord. Again you’re attributing things that have happened in game since before traderie existed to traderie, and that simply isn’t factual. Not to mention that at some point even without botting or traderie or JSP, some items are indeed still worth 10 jah runes. Sure someone might have to sell off their entire account at that point to get that item, but jah’s are nowhere near as rare as you think they are, even if they are a high value common currency used in game.

Good luck finding a single person who agrees with that!!

I mean it is true. You think they’re infinitely rare and impossible to trade for, but even in the times with limited botting or duping etc that was not the case. Sure they’re not shako level easy finds, but people out there think shakos are impossible to get as well. Meanwhile there are far rarer items that were still found in those times 40+life skillers, 3/20/20’s, insanely good rare crafts etc etc. If you think Jah’s are so insanely impossible to find/obtain then you’re probably playing poorly, and not trading or a mixture of both. And you’ll cite the 3 hours a month you play on your crappy 20FCR non-enigma wearing cold druid which is bad at finding items and always will be. Meanwhile a FRW hork barb could find plenty of high runes while on a budget with no problem or any better AOE character on higher player count as well even long before having the best build possible.

Humour alert.

In d2r, I have found 1 so far, followed by 0 more - does that count?
Now awaiting my second one, so I can claim that 10 in binary.

I know what you mean. Yet for a casual player like me, they are rare. I understand that others play 5, 10 times as much (or more) than me and optimze farming and therefore their pov is different.

Funny thing which happened to me: I had found 2 Windforces in TZs before my very first shako dropped. And that one was ethereal. I got a third WF before my first non-eth shako showed up. Since then, zero more WFs but quite a few shakos.
It’s RNG.

Can you imagine!
A site to help make trade faster where people care for reply speed