Are people on Traderie the worst types of traders?

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I’d say it is a mixture, but you are right, a super casual would struggle, especially because they’re most likely playing in worse conditions with no access to P8 or a hork barb 2nd character or a good build etc etc etc. But this game, nor most games are build to set you up to be the best and find the best with near minimal gameplay. I wouldn’t expect you to play 2 hours a week and be the best at CS2 and place you against pro players, nor would I put you in charge of a WoW raid either right? If it were as easy as you having access to that level of stuff based off minimal play, then there wouldn’t even be bots because it would be raining HR’s and griffons for everyone 24/7.

Actually I don’t think this particular instance is pure RNG at least not IMO. My theory 100% untested and unproven is that TZ’s offer higher level TC at a much higher rate and nearly eliminate lower level TC. So finding a griffon or a WF might actually be easier than a shako. Meanwhile if you want you can do targeted meph and andy runs without TZ and you’d have 10 shakos. Again I’m perfectly willing to say that is 100% my observation I don’t have statistics or game file info that proves it.

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The first Shako is always the PITA to find, then it seems like they don’t stop dropping. My observational bias has confirmed that multiple times. :laughing:

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The whole so-called rune market has simply become a store currency in transfer terms.

And of course Traderie has everything to do with RMT and not nothing.

It’s absolutely clear and couldn’t be clearer.

Moreover, the invented prices often have nothing to do with value at all, but with idiologies.

A simple example with Traderie is large charms, which is the real price driver behind it and has nothing to do with value per se.

If you play a Spear Amazon that is not a Javazon, you are faced with a huge wall of price. They themselves have to pay huge sums of money for unplayed Specs, because there is only a Javazon Spec behind it, which has nothing to do with a 2H Fend Spear Amazon, except that it stupidly shares the same Spec with their skill.

The charms with +1 spear skills and +xx HP sometimes cost a lot of Jah runes. So you are paying for idiology, greed and nothing more than an exploit.

A Druid Skiller e.g. shapeshift is no less rare or common, there is just no S-Build behind it. The value is the same, but the looting possibilities are lower.

And these JAH prices for the top builds only come about through RMT.

Many of the sellers there, especially Asians, are committed to the same construct as those who then offer these runes again for real money on the well-known sites.

It’s just an invisible structure for them and me. But it is a soup.

It’s all an external RMT, but has implications for all players for better or worse, depending on how you want to look at it.

People who don’t deal with it don’t even know that.

They just wonder why other players are so massively strong and shave everything off with the best stuff. They think these gamers are better players, but they use these external sources and RMT for superiority and nothing else.

Also the fairy tales that some people always want to tell you, that they find 1 Ber every 3 games and 2 more games a JAH, in between 10 Ist, Ohm, Vex runes, they can take it and put it under the “once upon a time” fairy tale category. You play this game just like these people do. Running CS, Cows, Kurast, Concil, bosses and so on and so forth. Don’t you think that their experienced reality is the same as everyone else’s? Because it does… yes I once found a BER rune in Act 5 Frost River, I found 1-2 Ohms, a Vex a few Gul and below.

But how often does that happen? You can play Diablo 2 for 10 years and you will be able to count HR from Lo on 2 hands.

When someone here says a Cham rune isn’t worth much, they’re looking at it from the perspective of the artificial rune market now. If this were not the case and you needed a CHAM, it would be incredibly expensive, but not significantly cheaper than other HR, because it would be even rarer than a BER or JAH.
If you can easily get everything here in abundance through RMT, then you quickly suppress the realities.

Traderie & Co, are the top addresses for all RMT dealers.
Without these exchanges, RMT would be much worse off than it is now.
The price formation at Traderie, for example, speaks volumes.
Everything that is halfway good costs at least BER and JAH and sometimes double digits.
There is no RMT behind this and causing this nonsense, from the point of view of a normal player? Of course it absolutely does!

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Incorrect.

Incorrect as well. Asterons ward is a very rare item, but it isn’t that good in builds, so it is worth less than items that are easier to find. It does indeed have 100% to do with it’s value, and not game related rarity. This happens in most every game except in linier itemization which isn’t relevant to the conversation. The same applies for let’s say MA skillers back in the day being worth nothing almost, but now that the class is viable there is a demand. Demand drives the price which is indeed the value perceived by the playerbase.

If that is your specific case, you are either playing poorly, slowly, with a bad build, in the wrong areas, in the wrong games etc etc. The 3 ladders of D2R i’ve played netted me a bunch of HRs. I’m sorry the game doesn’t drop someone who does 3 meph runs an hour who plays for 2 hours a week, who dies on 66% of their runs high runes daily, but that simply isn’t how any game works. You wouldn’t be the best at CSGO or WoW with that level of gameplay, why would that be the case in diablo?

There is nothing artificial about basic economics of supply and demand. Cham simply is not that used, and is used even less nowadays that PvP builds aren’t used as often. Meanwhile most every character would want to benefit from having an enigma which takes 2 of the less rare runes. Leaving supply low. On the flip side with nobody needing a cham it is a filler rune at best.

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I sold low runes i bulk. 3/4 of trades were with people from Asia. Never had any issues. Also dont pull “10x cheaper” numbers out of the hat. Most people trade by 20-50% difference in price. Ive seen a handfull of people trying to get 2-3x on a item (doubt it that they sold them). Never seen anything 10x. Maybe someone made a typo.

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Inflations is good if you find items in game and sell them. Then a good drop sold for runes allows you to make more runewords. There is enough grind in this game as it is to justify a lack of real endgame.

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Comparably d2jsp is far easier to trade from and thats where all the o.gs trade from. im banned on d2jsp for calling the moderator “Sire” neurotic and reporting them to the BBB and Kansas SOS.

I made a post about having schizophrenia in “general chat”(a place where they talk about harming minorities and posting feet) and i asked someone if they had schizophrenia in my replies and they flagged that as trolling and suspended me. Generally ive met alot of people who are irrational and overly defensive about how sensitive they are mentally, in this community.
Ive also had people threaten to abuse my cat in a bestiality way on d2jsp then unalive it and feed it to my mother.(i called him out for selling 80 unid griffons) All the meanwhile proporting to be victims. I have never had a super random excessive reaction on traderie but generally i cant find trades there

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If I were you I really would start thinking why I get banned everywhere.
On top you always talk about your health issues. They don’t belong anywhere in the www.

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D2jsp is easier? How?

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Easier to get trades done. Like i waited 2 weeks to make a trade on traderie that took 15 mins on d2jsp through an alt i made

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if i were you id tried to act out my internet personality in person and see how it works for you. It might just be what you need to learn productive communicating skills

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Strange i sold runes in bluk. Like about 150 runes (multiple times). About 6 different listings. Often 3/4 of that sold in 30min. D2jsp looks like its 1990 again. Searching for listings is archaic. Not even mentioning cheating at new ladders with FG. Also are these OGs the same ones who want to buy stuff from you for 1/10 the value to flip the item (never use it) just to see the numbers go up?

Traderie needs to do only 2 things to be great:

  1. Add items listings from image/screenshot (like they did for diablo 4)
  2. Create LADDER ONLY currency (so people can trade for stuff worth more than 40xJah)
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An entire post yapping and really not saying anything much of value.

Hmmm I wonder why, perhaps is it because communication is kept to near zero on that website. Meanwhile on websites where you can talk you always seem to find an issue. The only common denominator being you.

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In what regard am i the common denominator? That doesnt apply do any situation i listed. It would be useful information to someone who isnt retentive about degrading people as an excuse.

i listed the reasons for their impulsive reactions.

Let me know if you need more help calming down

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Just from what I can remember from you…

You had several ex’s that had massive issues with you.
You also have had many issues with the government or law enforcement correct?
Now I’m sure about the ex’s right big issues involving law enforcement, but the one about law enforcement might be me not remembering properly sorry.

And online you’ve had continuous issues on JSP from the moderators to the users.
And on these forums right here, 99.999% of the users think you’re a clown.
Then in game randomly people cause you massive issues.

It is like somehow you’re were blessed by the issue fairy and just drama follows you around… or in reality you just create all the drama, invite it all in, and possibly imagine some of it.

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In almost zero situations would bulk runes move on traderie unless you were buying something you wanted? What are you trading them out for? Like that doesn’t even make sense, at that point you’re trading just to trade and sure people will take your runes because they’re a secondary currency surpassed by forum gold.

As for 1990 yup that is that website. Searching isn’t difficult in the least bit. And while some people try weird lowballs most are offering the current rate almost always. And yes there are far too many that play the forum gold game rather than the actual game, but whatever it facilitates far easier trading who cares.

Traderie is already great, but it will never hit the currency rate success of forum gold, and the pictures might be all right, but won’t improve it much, though I get that at times it makes it worthwhile.

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Ok so after i clarified this for the last time you are going to refer to this post instead of compulsively trying to lie about me over and over in a manipulative way right?

10000% wrong as an adult ive never even had a moving violation. Im a veteran and im disabled

Ive had 2 exes convicted with domestic violence against me and i had restraining orders on them

You arent you are imagining things and lying just based off the fact of not feeling comfortable with someone being able to ban you from a game if you act out in too dramatic of a way.

Alot of people have had these issues but just havent said anything about it. As d2jsp has a --F rating at the BBB and other watchdog company entities.

Everyone ive met here that ive had a problem with has a bad dysmorphia between how sensitive they are and how they believe they are portrayed through their actions. Which is like 5 people i had a problem with not 99 the majority of people agree with pX function.

Not just me but the people in my games too… have all thought the way some people act is not productively to developing the community. That being said people are drawn to situations and people that cause them fear or anger. Generally im a person you cant hurt mentally and rationally it creates attraction to people who fixate on self depricating tendencies in themselves

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I was selling El, Eld, Nef, Tir, Eth and Rals. Most of the stuff sold super fast. I had trades for Rals that was done 5min after listing. I usualy bought higher runes sometimes other items. Can you sell chipped gems fast of d2jsp? I used to farm on auradin and had like 2-3 mules of chipped gems. Most sold for 15-20 chipps per Ist (non_ladder). I havent dropped anything worth more than 40xJah so i dont need to worry about being cheated.

Someone in game showed me some Price Guide from d2jsp from like 2 years ago and said to go by this. But i know that prices change every day/week. Than he “surprisingly” wanted to buy Jah for half the price in early ladder .

Current market dictates prices. Not some set in stone guides. Some people think Jah is 20 Ist mid ladder. From my experience it was 12 Ist in 2 last ladders. But im sure this will change too.

Now i go by this (updated daily):
d2trader net rune-prices

I know that marketing and commercials are realy good in this times. But i always plan to buy what i need :slight_smile: Without extra step of 2 trades do to FG :stuck_out_tongue:

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Okay that seems far more normal yes. As for Rals that is an easy trade you could accomplish that on either site.

Never sold chipped gems, but have seen people looking for them.

This is somewhat accurate, though non-ladder prices don’t fluctuate that much, yes, forum gold prices change drastically over ladder. It retains the value of what you found early in a weird way, but it works.

The rune to ist ratio I’m not familiar enough with as I don’t do that trade often, but my guess is that changes not only in game but on JSP.

I mean you call it an extra step, but in 99/100 times I trade faster than anyone using traderie, and it has nothing to do with marketing. It is far easier to trade a shako for forum gold and turn aroun and trade that forum gold for what you want, than to find that specific user who wants that exact trade. Not to mention you seemingly seem to be making multiple trade as well. You don’t need dozens of ists for your character you’re stacking them up to buy what you need using ists in place of forum gold. So same steps at a slower pace or in general a slower 1 step trade. Either way is in inferior. But if you’re not using JSP at least you’re using traderie because most other forms of trading are mid.

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I think its only inferior in a sense that i cant buy stuff at new ladder for non ladder currency. Other than that its similar. But i like Traderie more. Hope Blizzard will force d2jsp owner to delete all FG records, dont mind the forum. That would be only fair solution.