Allow free and easy skill resets (again)

I mean they are basically free and already easy to reset. :man_shrugging:t2: People are so lazy nowadays.

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^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^

QoL is ment to only make the game easier to play such as shard stash bigger stash tabs. QoL does not make the gamer easier. imo i dont think most gamers understand this

its not QoL when it changes the core game play of the game and makes the game easier rather than easier to play(user friendly). QoL should never change the core.

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The “huge majority”* can jolly well go play D3 then. I’d love to see someone make such an argument on the Dark Souls forums.

  • in most cases I’ve seen, “huge majority” is used as a synonym for “the imagined majority group of people who share my opinion”. It’s not.
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We get 3 free ones and tokens aren’t even expensive; you can get them for Um. Before 1.13 there wasn’t even an option to reset via Den of Evil or Token. Also yes, hacking in Single Player to find out if a build works is pretty fun.

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All of the replies missing the point. It is a useless chore. If I want to slap skills together and make a fail char that’s my choice so no idea why so many replied with that’s a bad idea. Bad idea for whom? You can still farm for those tokens. Anyway, it’s 20 years old and literally the only thing they changed were you can get the gold by walking by. They aren’t trying to spend no money on this thing.

Yeah those were the days holding on to skill points till 30

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The premise here is mistaken. Blizzard only relaxed the system requirement in wow for 9.1.5 because those systems will be obsolete in 9.2. They let everyone do what they need to catch up and play unfettered and then they’ll put some highly restricted time-gated systems in place for the next patch and restart the viscous cycle all over again. They aren’t giving away anything. They are preparing to feed on the loss of hope as the next patch drops and everyone laments that they have to grind new reps and new whatevers to further advance in the game and learn completely new arbitrary systems.

So many people liked wow classic because choices mattered and respeccing was expensive and the power came from the gear. Now the gear has almost no power in retail and everything comes from syncing with covenant crap or whatever. Wow would be better if gear dropped in the world and mattered to the build like it used to and the way it does in D2.

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Melee sorc who wasn’t active until level 85. A respec capability would have meant I had a character to play until 85. As it was, it was rushed, and then stood with an ondals staff and an annihilus in baal runs until 85. Fun after. Not before.

What happened to your first 3 respecs?

I have like 6 tokens of absolution and I don’t intend on using one if not all of them any time soon.

I used all 3 of my respecs on my paladin and my sorc but I need to get a torch and find better gear before I respec again… so I mean… by the time I go and respec both of them I’ll probably have another 6 tokens of absolution.

If you screw up that badly respecing a character, you didn’t do your research properly or you messed up big time.

The only solution is to start a brand new character from scratch, transfer the gear over using the shared stash and get a rush.

It shouldn’t take too much effort on your part, especially if you’ve already respecced 3 times… you can’t be above level 60… which literally takes about 8 to 10 hours of time to reach… isn’t a big deal.

If they added in unlimited respeccing they might as well just abolish the spice that the bosses drop and those tokens of absolution but that’s not gonna happen, so keep dreaming I guess. :confused:

what if i wanna buy your token?
each for a price of pul

They’re probably busy chasing “meta” builds for min/max “efficiency”.

Doubt it. Someone who is meta-chasing would also have prepared for this by, well, not being stingy with tokens and would in no way demand that Blizzard give free respecs so they can mindlessly change stat or skill point allocations.

I’m fully against unlimited free respecs. I think the current number: 3 per character + grind is spot on.
I agree that you need some, otherwise you would have to plan out a lvl90+ character with specific gear and even rolls on said gear to the last stat point right at character creation, and that’s an unreasonable expectation.

But unlimited free respec would take absolutely any challange and variety out of the game. And I mean variety not as visuals but as mechanics. If you have just the best possible skill setup to wreck havoc on every single area in the game, they won’t feel any different from each other. Also, your characters of the same class won’t feel any different either, as you can pick up any sorc you have, respec her however you want and do whatever with her. It would make skill point allocation absolutely meaningless.

And why do I think 3 respecs are enough, and don’t really hinder experimentation?
Because normal is not hard. You can beat normal with pretty much whatever gear and skill, so you won’t hit a brick wall you can’t pass in terms of difficulty. You can also get lvl 35-40 in normal easily, therefore you can try every single skill your class has access to, and have a feel if you like it or not. And by the time you get to NM, you already have 2 respecs avaliable, and then you can make an informed decision on what you want your character to be. And after beating NM, you still have one remaining for finetuning your char.

So what’s the con? You have to live with your mistakes for a while. If you respec at lvl10, well you deserved that. Your mistakes won’t ultimately ruin your character, but you are punished for your mistakes as your character will be slightly subpar for the time being.
And well, if you can’t figure out a decent character that at least can do hell cows from 3 respecs… well that’s not the game’s fault.

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But you make new characters every ladder anyway. I played enough ARPG, last epoch, POE, D3, Grim dawn, Wolcen. Most required a small in-game currency to respec. People just do not abuse respec if its easy, for the process to reset full character took time & effort to be something people do often.

The idea to learn from mistake is cool, but many people are working adults with IRL committment & I do not see spending 40 hours to reset to try another 80 hours is appealing to most.

Allow more generous respec will greatly promote experimentation & cool meme/non meta builds instead of follow a guide.
Unless you are full time streamers / no- lifer, spendings double digit hours trying meme/experimnetal build is something many will try.

The underline argument for me for easier/free respec is

I think the pro of experimentation is (IMO) far greater than pro of learn from mistake & characters are “unique”. I think people that care that their character is unique is a miniorty IMO. Most just want to make fun enjoyable builds & do not care if their build is similar to others & can be easily reprecated via respec.

But you make new characters every ladder anyway. I played enough ARPG, last epoch, POE, D3, Grim dawn, Wolcen. Most required a small in-game currency to respec. People just do not abuse respec if its easy, for the process to reset full character took time & effort to be something people do often.

Have you tried fully respecing a lvl90 char in PoE? If anything, it’s even more grind than finding the token in d2r.

The respec orb (orb of regret I think) is so cheap, like 90 chaos orbs for full respec (last time I check). last time I played, I was rocking 200 Exalted & thats like 20k chaos orbs.

The respec (full) is tedious, but the cost is not. Which is why I do not think people will respec that often to be an issue in D2.

In any case, you often do not need full respec. also PoE use gems for skill, so you may not even need respec to change skill t times.

Yeah, it’s not extremely expensive, but still a grind, not unlimited and not free.
I just checked trade forum, someone claims to have bought 2 respec tokens for um rune.
I’d say these 2 are in the same ballpark. So if the respec is fine in PoE, it’s fine in here too.

That sandbox for experimenting is called single player offline, where you can already get unlimited free respecs without the den of evil quest or tokens.

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Actually they can enable free respecs anytime they wish in single player offline via a console command.