Zovaal is Sargeras

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Anybody else see the similarities between Zovaal and the Avatar of Sargeras? Other than a hole in the chest and the other guy has horns…they look pretty much alike… Sargeras wants us in the Shadowlands to find the truth and to know Sargeras’s story. If the below is true, Zovaal is Sargeras before Sargeras became Sargeras. Archimonde served the Burning Legion, thus, Archimonde serves Sargeras. Thus, Kael’Thuzad ultimately serves Sargeras since KT was to summon Archimonde. If the Jailer is KT’s master then KT’s master must be Sargeras since KT summoned Archimonde. Essentially Sargeras did a soul shattering and has many forms (think horcruxes).

About KT:

After bringing the plague to Lordaeron, he was slain by Arthas Menethil. When Arthas became a death knight, he resurrected Kel’Thuzad as a lich so he could summon Archimonde the Defiler into Azeroth. Following Arthas’s departure for Northrend, Kel’Thuzad was left to command the Scourge of Lordaeron from his floating necropolis, Naxxramas. Following his first defeat, he and his necropolis moved to Northrend, where he was once again defeated.

In death, Kel’Thuzad entered the afterlife Maldraxxus and rose to a position of power within the House of Rituals, a position he used to plunge Maldraxxus into chaos in order to further the efforts of his master, the Jailer, across the Shadowlands. After his machinations were revealed, the archlich escaped to his master’s side in the Sanctum of Domination to await a final confrontation with Azeroth’s heroes.

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Well I guess that means we’ll finally see the finale to the sword in the stone.
I know devs/writers didn’t forget about it

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Zovaal is Zovaal.

We literally know that he was created by the First Ones and served as the Arbiter until he turned against the other Eternal Ones, who tore the Arbiter’s sigil from his chest and used it to create the Arbiter that we knew prior to its destruction.

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If Illidan is a match for Sargeras, then wouldn’t it be Illidan who could beat Zovaal?

Apparently Zovaal is the strongest ever since Sargeras so how are we supposed to beat him?

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indeed. However unlike the rock, if this sword is taken out of azeroth it would be like removing something from an open wound. Azeroth has been very much “alive” throughout the lore.

or we can just hire a fresh team of young talent and get started on the Dragon Isles for next xpac.

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Sargeras isn’t Kel’Thuzad’s master. He summoned Archimonde because the Scourge’s purpose was to prepare Azeroth for the Legion’s arrival.

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The Chronicle gives us the Backstory for Aman’Thul yet doesn’t give us the backstory for Sargeras aside from his meeting with the Old Gods and Nathrezim…

The Chronicle doesn’t even confirm that Aman’Thul was the first Titan to awaken but merely states that legends claim he was with no confirmation on whether or not the legends were true.

I suspect that the Earthmother Azeroth was the First Titan with Aman’Thul(Air), Eonar(Spirit), Aggramar(Fire), Khaz’goroth(Earth), Golganneth(Water) and Telogrus(Decay which as shown with WoD Nagrand is Void-based) all being her children.

I also suspect that Argus was nothing more than a Constellar amalgam situated at the center of a World.

The Old Gods sitting on Telogrus until Sargeras butchered him? They did not corrupt Telogrus but he was Void since birth and drew them to him/her at birth upon which the Nathrezim got in contact with the Old Gods and used them to infect Telogrus with Revendreth’s Dread which would be enough to convince Sargeras that the Void Lords had nothing but bad intentions for existence.

Since the Decay Element and Spirit Element are manifestations of Life and Void I would assume that the Spirit came from the 2 Eternal Ones of Life spending time napping in Azeroth as her eyes while the Decay came from the Old Gods beating the Earthmother unconscious.

Elune and An’she of the Pantheon of Life of course used the Earthmother as a resting place until the Old Gods showed up driving them away while Elune took with her the Winter Queen who was discovered by the Earthmother’s children the Shu’halo(ancestors of the Yaungol) who I’m sure were exploring everywhere and uncovered the infant Winter Queen.

Where did the Winter Queen as well as the 2 Pantheon of Life Members come from? Same place the other First One Artifacts discovered on Azeroth came from. They were locked on Azeroth by the First Ones as a gift to Mortals.

Of course that might mean that Norgannon was also a gift as he like Sargeras doesn’t match any of the Elements but was pure Arcane. I wouldn’t be surprised if Norgannon drew the Constellars to the Great Dark Beyond where they taught Aman’Thul the ways of Arcane in hopes of converting the Titans to Order which of course was a success.

Speaking of Sargeras his mentions of the True Path indicate that he was the First Ones’ gift of Light but got reprogrammed by Constellar Corruption.

Furthermore I’m sure the First Ones would know how many Titans they created for the Great Dark Beyond(2: Azeroth, Norgannon and Sargeras) as well.

The First Ones’ gifts for the Mortals would be as followed:

Life: Elune and An’she

Light: Sargeras

Void: The 5 Old Gods

Death: Winter Queen

Order: Norgannon

Chaos: Unknown though probably some Demon

Argus the Constellar Amalgam(as shown by Aman’Thul using the rewind power on him during the Raid) would be an intrusion by the Cosmic Realm of Order into the Cosmic Realm of the Elements to gain ground before Sargeras tortured him into submission while the Nathrezim corrupted him with Death.

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I wouldn’t say they are but more likely influenced by a common agent. All the while time being played for a bigger game.

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Zovaal couldn’t couldn’t tie Sargeras’ flaming shoe laces. He’s a third string clown at best.

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Zovaal x Sargeras OTP

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If zovaal is anyone, it’s argus.

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So Sylvann*s is Illidumb’s avatar?

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I dunno, his name isn’t Saregras

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Yeah because that’s totally worked. We haven’t had the same developers on the game for years. It’s always been a revolving door of newer people coming in. This is kind of the problem. There’s nothing wrong with hiring “young talent” provided they actually stick to the script. The problem is they have their own opinions on how things should be done so the game is yanked in four different directions without any basic guidelines to follow aside from “Make sure the game works.”

I could start up a store or business, make it successful with having certain policies and ideals to the workers and customers that are routinely upheld. The second I step down and appoint someone who doesn’t share that same mindset it can be undone very fast. Alternatively I could pick a worker and basically groom them to be my successor who would hopefully embody the same values I have and hope they too do the same thing, or have a kid and shape them for that role with a blank slate. With the ideal outcome, the business would thrive based on the same values, or take on new ones that got it off the ground in the first place decades later.

Or I could wind up with Disney where employees in the past compared to now have very different attitudes towards how things are done. Where once the company prided itself on treating its workers like family and valued workers now treats them like garbage that can be replaced with a finger snap because they didn’t smile for 3 seconds selling a souvenir caught on camera.

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Well have you ever seen them in the same room.

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Argus would be Chaos. The 5 old gods making one = Telogrus. Sargeras’s sword had an old god eye/body in it. However, now the sword is nothing but blood. What we should be concerned about is what was in that old god eye from Sargeras’s sword and where it went. Sargeras’s sword is at the heart and whatever was in that sword is now free so absolutely the void has filled Azeroth’s heart…

I mean it makes since N’zoth would need a vessel to be placed into since he’s stuck in a container which holds void entities. Or potentially that vessel is the ender of worlds. Sargeras was most likely corrupted by whatever was in that vessel on the sword.

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Metzen isn’t going to carry forward Danuser’s nonsense. Zovaal is irrelevant forever