“So yeah he was basically Azshara for her , but it was working.”
Oh yes he is. Indeed…
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It’s always the underlings that ooze charisma while the big bad gets relegated to the role of a boring plot burger.
Thank god we didn’t kill Denathrius. Now he and Azshara can team up and become the most fabulous duo of villains WoW has ever seen.
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Expanding this is Ner’zhul playing along with the Legion and deceiving them. He made them believe the only way to do as much damage before Archimondes arrival was through Arthas. However by the time Legion had doubts about Ner’zhuls loyalty, they were too far into his “we need Arthas” plan to stop. Which was why Tichondrious personally oversaw Arthas fulfill his mission to resurrect Kel’thuzad and summon Archimonde. Because of what happened to Mal’ganis and his, “tripped down some ice stairs” incident.
That is why Lich King > Zovaal. The Lich King was constantly watched by Dreadlords so he had to be careful with how he would execute his plans to undermine the Legion. Zovaal was basically left free to do whatever he wanted in the maw and only the Primus found out about his plans but it was too late to do anything really. Zovaal didn’t have that presence of danger to show off his intelligence.
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I didn’t care about the Jailer. I am mildly interested in Zovaal.
Though it seemed obscenely out of character for a man who wants all of creation to be his mindless slave to release Bolvar/Thrall/Jaina to punish Sylvanas instead of just instantly enslaving her and keeping all of them.
I doubt he’s going to live up to the Lich King, but we’ll see which way the wind blows.
Jesse, James, but who is Meowth?
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Nathanos in a cat suit.
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I dont care but I want all of these mega super duper powered villains gone so that we can go back to small stuff again, But I am not sure how they could do that other than possibly “depowering” the player or something like “we need all your energy” lorewise stuff.
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Who is zooval again?
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Dudes and dudettes… if you believe Blizzard is using Zooval /Jailor as an ACTUAL character, you are NOT paying attention. That´s the reason he got the most “generic” classical death look AND the overall barebones development with literal no personality quirks nor much less motivations apart from “I want to rule the world for reasons”: cause he´s NOT a character, he´s a plot device designed to introduce the upper echelon on WoW´s nuCosmology a.k.a. the “creators / First ones”, no more and no less.
His job on the cinematic was waaay more related to act like the visual “bait” and the device trying to bait the players into getting curious about the infamous Sepulchre a.k.a. THE “First Ones´ruins” than to fulfill the actual “hate me I´m a villain part”. One doesn´t see that cinematic and gets intrigued about Zooval himself, one gets intrigued about the weird place he´s so fixated about AND the individuals that made that place.
Well, considering he´s being groomed as the glorified plot device that will somehow get twarted in his goals, I rather like the fact the devs went for the most generic classical looks PRECISELY because we can´t deduce no “meaning” by visual clues (I mean, I´d hate for the evil cartoon plot device of this game to look remotely similar to any Latin american tribe deity cause you know, that kinda sends “weird” subliminal messages)…
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That’s the million dollar question.
Who is this guy? But more importantly, why should I care? Because he threatens Azeroth in some non specific but definitely apocalyptic way? So what that happens every Tuesday they need to be more specific.
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Given the extent to which they’re doing Zovaal/Anduin as a Lich King/Arthas analogue I expect he’s going to use him to attack Stormwind somehow and that will be the Anduin raid.
the Sepulcher is probably Azeroth’s world-soul (or related to it) for some reason that won’t be adequately explained.
Remember, the pre-event said the Jailer was after her. Unless Blizzard’s already forgotten, which absolutely would not surprise me because I don’t think that’s been mentioned since.
Of course not. He is going to be the same narrative use that Garrosh, Gul’dan and Sylvanas provided. We’re going to stop his plan and he is going to run off, pulled away or escape in some manner and then we’ll be introduced to another even bigger problem that was also behind the rest of these problems.
They’ve been in this loop since MoP.
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Where’s my Zovaal Loyalist path Blizzard? Now that you’ve opened this can of worms you have no excuse to not have loyalist paths for every villain going forward
Ergo, a plot device. Just as I mentioned.
That´s why they haven´t invested and most probably won´t invest on actually developing him, cause he´s just pretty crude and direct means to an end, period.
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yeah and why their big bads keep losing any sort of threat. There is always someone behind someone. It is getting incredibly stale and is made worse with such a stale character to be the new bridge we walk over.
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Honestly I think my biggest let down is finding out those quest choices were just a one off. They initially had me extremely excited because I thought it was innovating how we’d engage with the game on a fundamental level.
Throughout WoW your only interactions with quests are to either complete them or ignore them. There’s no other choice.
But giving us options? Even if it was just the illusion of choice it would be pretty cool. Maybe next time you’re tasked with wiping out a bandit Encampment you could, or maybe you could convince them to leave or even side with them for a cut of the spoils.
Instead we just got the one quest with the one extra option. Wasn’t much of an option either. The Loyalist questline was a joke. Ill admit they at least gave it some unique content in 8.2.5. But outside that you got less content for that one quest, because you don’t fight off the Deathstalkers with Saurfang it just ends there with Zenkan instead.
And then the rest of it was the exact same as the revolutionary questline. Only you did it undercover. Even when these missions were theoretically harmful to Sylvanas.
Like she let Derrick get free. I still don’t know why. And I’m going to die not knowing because I’m convinced they don’t have an answer. She just does very silly things for no discernable reason I guess. Gotta make your own fun at work I suppose.
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Well, yes. But only because he’s trying to unmake the reality where I store my gold and arcwine.
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Zovaal feels artificial. He feels very generic and bland to me. All he does is just stand there being powerful and saying he is going to break or unmake things, but why? I don’t feel any motivation to want to stop him.
I was motivated to stop the Lich King in Wrath because I could see from Tirisfal Glades to Northrend what bad stuff he had done.
I was motivated to stop Garrosh because I played the bombing of Theramore scenario, I saw him do bad things during the MoP patches so I felt like part of the story.
With Zovaal I do not know anything about him. I was introduced to him suddenly and told by other characters that he is bad, but I just can’t bring myself to care. Besides kidnapping characters we know and working with Sylvanas he is doing bad things to places and beings I didn’t know existed until this expansion. I just can’t bring myself to care.
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The only reason I want to change the channel when he is on, is cause sylvanas is always there, I do think he is interesting, his lore with that dumb character that is sylvanas is what holds him back