Like raids, when you realize how popular PvP is by comparison. And the last time PvP got something new, was in Legion.
Seriously- how do the devs not even pay attention to what the players are doing in-game, so they can better cater to them?
This is business 101.
PvP needs balancing, new maps and stuff, just like the attention they are constantly giving to PvE players.
Biggest mistake is not putting a portal. I avoided that zone due to no portal. I hate dragon riding (born with eye issues ) and dragon riding makes it really hard to see where I am going
It was bareable in open air zones but in underground tunnels is just bad and is really bad when you just fly in. I always hit a wall and just ended falling out of the sky
lol are you pretending that pvp is more popular than raiding? pvp has always been a mini-game here.
PvP is more popular, unless youâre including LFR.
More folks PvP than do Normal, Heroic, and Mythic Raiding.
Blizzard themselves had a big survey not too long ago, PvP was second highest.
If weâre removing LFR then lets remove random battlegrounds and only include rated. Donât move the goalposts. pvp is far from being equally as popular as raiding.
Always one of these people. Victory in a conversation is all that matters with yaâll.
PvP is more popular. LFR queues never pop, and just doing it in and of itself is a nightmare, rolling against strangers.
You can believe raiding is more popular, but it is wrong.
Blizz doesnât give out that info, whatâs your source on that?
LFR needs a certain comp, random battlegrounds donât.
âtrust me, bro.â
Arguing with kiper is pointless.
They will always side against a thread. Their thoughts and opinions are never their own. Just what will annoy the people theyre talking with.
Theres only so many times you can see a person jump over the fence to be a contrarian before you have to stop taking them seriously.
Theyre just a troll and nothing more.
Enjoy, random lvl 10 toon that is afraid to show actual account data.
Or a throwaway, you decide.
Iâm not even sure why I bother talking to forum clowns that are afraid and hide themselves- not worth my time, really.
I should only talk to people who actually play the game.
Which, to be honest, is very few people here.
Arenât you the guy who had a few episodes here on the forum?
Thatâs rich coming from a lvl 11 who doesnât post on their low rated pvp monk or hunter mains. I canât âhideâ any account data, just like you canât.
Im not a troll. Just a guy with questionable mental health.
But im doing better these days. Im sober, and have started taking medication 
Ok, first the irony of this when you are doing the same.
And thatâs a forum poll, not a survey. I thought you were talkng about one of the random surveys they send out.
A poll like that really means nothing as it can be gamed and isnât a very good representation of the actual playerbase. All it says is that PvPers are more likely to be on the forums to see a poll when it gets put up.
All of my stuff is open, I donât use a fake account, I donât troll, and that poll had about 11k votes on it, and was open for a good while.
Iâd say itâs true as well, given what Iâve seen in-game. People just prefer M+ to raiding as a whole, because itâs faster.
Raiding is old, and people donât wanna sit around for hours, preparing the group, waiting to get stuff done. Itâs outdated and Iâm not really surprised itâs falling out.
Todayâs gaming is about accessibility, thatâs why LFR as a whole is even a thing.
But raids just take too long, and once youâre in, youâre locked-in for probably hours until you can leave. M+ is the faster alternative to that, and same rewards due to vault.
Not only a forum poll but also donât forget he doesnât want to include people who do LFR but wants to include random battlegrounds. lol
LFR has been in the game longer than it hasnât.
Personally, I donât like the really long flight to get in⌠fun at first, but it is kind of an impediment (I know itâs not meant to be) and then⌠I really donât like being underground. I like the open air and space above me. It just feels kind of oppressive and removed. The quests arenât bad, but everything kind of feels disconnected.
I tried for 20 mins to see if there were âprofessionâ craft tables in the âbelowâ but I couldnât find any. Am I wrong?
To go back up, then go back downâŚit is just tedious. I enjoy the gameâŚbutâŚ
The zone is just plain bad.
I wouldnât mind it if they got rid of the no fly area and made the mobs in it non-elite.
You can bump them up to elite in the areas for the world quests but the whole subzone combined with the no fly mechanic is just too much.
And it would have been the perfect place to continue the vault system from the Forbidden Reach. They could have scattered doors all over the place that we could collect keys for. Even if it was only 20-30 single use doors we could open.
So many elites and groups so close together along with the flying warning killed the zone for me.