The 5 hour long queue times everyone is referencing is only relevant to someone like me who solo grinded to rank 14. Those long queue times gave me time to sleep and actually allowed me to solo grind. Those queue times were not common for the normal player. If you signed on Thursday-Sunday night 5-12pm your servers time, you were going to get all kinds of pvp matches. Most people on my server queued and played WSG and AB and as soon as AV popped and enough normal people came online who had regular day jobs, we all hopped over to AV. This was, again, my xp on a medium pop server going for rank 14. The average player at 60 who was raiding regularly wasn’t sweating av queue times.
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I used to Blacklist AV on horde because the map and tower layout makes the alliance victory capability quicker than horde, it was also easier to defend alliance towers than horde.
It still is in classic, and the only way to negate the bias is to keep it as a warfront.
Heh, I plan to roll horde and pvp in AV. I gotta say, the disadvantages if there are any really, I look forward to. I like that there are 2 factions in this battle and guess what, it may not be 50/50 equal. Just means when I win it’ll mean that much more. I guess I’m playing AV for a different reason ultimately. I don’t care if it’s fair. Im going to group up and roll a server where I shift the balance back with my play.
Well… great.
I still struggle to understand the “just take the extra long Q times, because that’s how it used to be” is a valid argument.
It’s bad game design.
I used to get up extra early and get in Q for the first AV of the day, usually around 30-40 mins. After that they sped up depending if Horde was feeling frisky. In the afternoons/evenings the Q times for Alliance were pretty fast since Horde was the dominant PvP faction on my server.
WSG and AB were quicker Q’s if I remember, but almost always a loss because Alliance liked to keyboard turn in those days (still does actually).
Point is, I would really like to play AV more often than once per day if possible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for shorter Q times if feasible.
Actually its their craptastic BG Q system hard at work not doing its job…
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I can agree with that.
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You will pull your hair out walking away from games where horde is 75% of the way across the map with 1 tower contested, and 1 tower being turtled while alliance have destroyed 1 tower, they have the final relief gy, and they are about to cap 2 more towers. This becomes the final meta for how the games end. The layout favors alliance and when it comes to Zergs the fact that it favors alliance always leads to alliance victory unless horde has a organized premade and alliance doesn’t.
I am amazed that everyone on the forums hit rank 14 because when they added the honor patch it literally took months to get 14 IF you were the 1 person on your whole faction on the entire server that got the highest honor for the week.
Horde. (Yes, the guild that shall not be mentioned, and not on this character) We did things like mass tauren drownings.
See, I treated it like signing up to be on call. If a spot opened up (more often than complete new BGs) in AV, if I was free from other commitments I would jump in. If I was going something with other folks I would ask their thoughts. More often than not they would be supportive of my jumping and encourage making the best of it. Vanilla was a different animal. The rarity helped to make getting into AV, be it at the start of a match or during an ongoing one, very special.
That right there is purely your opinion. To others like myself and Williams, it simply made it more valued. I never looked at it as a means to an end just to chase ranks or gear.
It is akin to the in game holiday events. They would suck donkey balls if they ran continuously back to back throughout the year. I never saw AV as something that should be chain run.
Your opinion.
But my point still stands. If a portion of your game is unplayable for extended periods of time and the Dev response is “working as intended, it’s like waiting for Christmas, we want you to be excited after a huge wait” you’re going to be called a craptastic game designer.
Because those Q’s don’t have to be endless.
You and Williams find some kind of nostalgic value in waiting and waiting, good for you, I admire your patience. I would say that the majority of players have an expectation to be able to get into AV within a reasonable amount of time.
And no, waiting in a huge line does not build character. It does not improve gameplay. It just turns WoW BG’s into the online equivalent of sitting in a DMV waiting room.
Hey, maybe with Blizzard’s push for mobile we can play BG’s in the DMV waiting room ![:checkered_flag:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/checkered_flag.png?v=6" ":checkered_flag:")
Make this Druid a designer.
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Agreed. More downsides to upsides with 1.5. Which is why 1.5 AV lasted for like a month or maybe a couple months.
Good thing 1.12 AV is whats going down.
Was I unclear on that point?
How often is Winterfest and Hallow’s eve?
Well you’re in luck, they aren’t! ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
I am not concerned with the majority. I would wager the majority of current WoW players outnumber those only coming back for classic, and a large majority of them would like nothing better than for classic to be as close to retail as orcishly possible. That is why the game is in it’s current state.
If everything you could do in game outside of a BG is equivalent to a DMV waiting room, I think the issue lies squarely with you, my not friend.
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Well, Blizz very much is concerned with the majority since their sub fees are what keeps the lights on.
Well that’s a great selling point, “just go do other stuff, meanwhile we will not fix these long Q’s because reasons”. This is acceptable game design to you?
Uh oh, jimmies are rustled. Too emotional to be polite any longer? Maybe you should take a break and go outside.
I was perfectly content with it. I am not of the instant gratification generation.
Sorry.
Honesty seems to really trigger you.
a month or a couple of months?
patch 1.5 to patch 1.10 was about 10 months.
patch 1.10 to BC was about 10 more months.
Probably should keep up with the feed back it seems they are listening.
I am pretty much happier with older patches of av that aren’t the 1.12.
Npcs need to be stronger as its a pve pvp bg.