The quotes you posted were Horde characters talking about themselves. A subjective viewpoint that we can see is false.
“Evil” is a difficult thing to pin down.
Culturally incompatible with the morals of the Alliance, which happen to be the moral Thrall was raised with and tried (and failed) to implement into the Horde. The morals that you believe is what the Horde is but never took root.
She failed to mention the slaughtering of innocents in that plan.
All I got out of that nonsense was How dare anyone side with Sylvanas for reasons I don’t agree with
Slow day indeead. Must be a holiday
for all the times people have bragged about holding fancy pantsy office jobs they sure so have a lot to say between 9-5 on a Tuesday.
How does it feel being on the same side as Erevein?
probably how it feels to be on the same side as nelfist, one would imagine.
What did he say?
Wrong. Only one of the 3 quotes I posted was from a Horde character. The second was from the text the Pandaren get when picking a faction at the end of their starter questline, and the third was from the official Cataclysm promotion.
She still very much mentioned killing Kaldorei and conquering their capital for absolutely no reason and he was okay with that.
He wanted to do things to me that I would be banned for reiterating or even dumbing down.
Big oof. Some people huh? 
Wait what did I miss?!
And one of them is how the Horde is selling itself to the Pandaren, and the other openly admits to rejecting diplomacy and being utterly brutal and violent.
Not innocents. Not children. Not setting children on fire which calls back to his biggest regret during his War with the Draenei.
Oh btw I just wanted to clear this up, the day I recognized you in Org was because you posted screenshots of your new character in the SF discord. I was in the discord breifly, you hyped up your Horde Pally. Nice mog btw, the red tones go really well with the undead Pally aesthetic. I’m jelly you have my sword in red/black. I don’t have nearly enough pvp kills honor for that.
I should really go lvl a new Mag’har to unlock the heritage armor….Have to fight my OCD big time to accomplish it though. Might not be worth it the stress
Sylvanas spoke of breaking the Kaldorei nation as a whole. Saurfang HAD to know what that meant or what was implied by that. It’s hard to fathom he was that ignorant to what Sylvanas was alluding to
It would seem he believe she meant killing the Kaldorei leadership, since killing Malfurion was a major part of the plan. Considering he went to lengths to defend innocents (And the Horde player had the option to ignore because War of Thorns was one big Horde power fantasy), it was clear he did not know what was to happen once they reached the shore.
I suppose that is one way of looking at it. But I would hardly call War of Thorns a power fantasy . It was a lot of things, but it sure wasn’t that at all.
Literally the entire point of the Pandaren starter scenario is to define the Huojin and Tushui philosophies and how these two fit perfectly into the Alliance and the Horde. By extension, this questline aims at defining what the Alliance and the Horde are. At this point it sounds like according to you the only “objective” depiction of the Horde is the one the Alliance would make.
Cherry-picking words from the quote and completely ignoring that the description it makes of the identity of the Horde 100% corresponds to the one I gave you… The amount of bad faith you’re putting in this discussion is insane honestly
Oh okay. So if Sylvanas had merely ordered a surprise massacre of the Kaldorei in Ashenvale and Darkshore and had merely conquered Teldrassil without burning it, you’d have been okay with her, I guess ?
I mean, if someone tells you “I am an empath, I can feel people’s energy and I am very in tune with their feelings.”
But is also a total jerk, has assault charges, verbally and physically abuses people and totally narcissistic and self serving.
Well, then clearly they spoke an untruth.
I think those words are relevant to my point. My whole point being, there is a disconnect to what the Horde thinks it is, what it strives to be, and what it actually is and has been since before WoW.
I mean, Sylvanas was one of my fav characters pre-BFA… After she had blighted Southshore and Gilneas, tried to Enslave Eyir. Kept human slaves, tortured and killed people for the mere pleasure of doing so, stealing Blood Elf corpses from the Ghostlands. Politically strong arming Quel’thalas into going to war in Northrend…
I loved Sylvanas but I also had no disillusions for what she was. I didn’t pretend like those things weren’t bad things, that she wasn’t evil for doing it.
My issue with BFA as a whole is it didn’t make any damn sense. It doesn’t align with Sylvanas’ goals and motivations. I think it is needlessly over the top and a greater degree of subtlety would have served an Old-God themed expansion far better. And while her actions added to the Story of the Worgen, her actions at Teldrassil undid the Kaldorei narrative entirely since Classic.
I don’t hate Sylvanas. I hate what Blizzard has done to Sylvanas, and I hate Sylvanas “loyalists” who are anything but because BFA and Shadowlands Sylvanas is anything but who Sylvanas actually was. And I hate it that people have such a hard time saying “I like this character, I enjoyed these aspects of the story, but I also understand that it was hard for a lot members of this community and it is probably not how Blizzard should have done things.”
That’s it.
And it is FUNNY to me, that Horde players are so up their own butts, so defensive when it comes to the faction conflict, that they fail to see that they AGREE with Alliance players.
The Horde is not written the way you perceive them as. They never have been. That is exactly the problem YOU have with the story. Yet here you are, diving head first into Sylvanas’ dumpster, screaming at Alliance players “Don’t touch my garbage.”
Here’s what you wrote. I have helpfully bolded the part where you portrayed Horde players as a monolith.
I mean, if you want to read into my words far more than what was intended, sure.
I understand that it’s not a hive mind situation. I used imprecise language to describe the experience of nelf players during War of Thorns, which we faced a great deal of trolling and hyperbole from a large number of Horde players.
If YOU specifically didn’t do that, good on you… If you did, then you are in no position to talk.