Me and my brother saw it and we were roaring with laughter and tears in our eyes, it was perfect. We both loved it so much.
11/03/2018 07:55 PMPosted by EvandeyrPart of the joy of Warcraft is taking pride in both the race and faction you attach too as each of us find meaning in them. There is a reason why crowds get rallied into a fever when their faction is called up and the devs are both the face and custodians to each respective faction.
That said, when the Alliance is being treated as the butt end of a joke that insinuates that being part of the Alliance makes you a second rate fan and that their isn't any pride to be taken in being part of that faction you are eroding the goodwill of your fanbase and creating a toxic dynamic between both player bases.
I love the Alliance because it is a story of endurance in the wake of calamity. To be broken yet press on and reforge one's society into something greater as each broken piece forms a greater whole.
I wish the devs could show that same pride in the Alliance as they do the Horde. Instead of gut punching us I wish they would understand that if they want the Alliance to be something as prideful and joyous as the Horde then they need to cultivate it instead of diminishing it.
That's pretty much the problem. We Alliance players do not go to Blizzcon because yeah we heard and seen how bad it is. Going to Blizzcon as a Alliance Fan is kinda like being a Hillary Clinton supporter in the middle of a Trump Rally. You keep your opinion and your mouth shut your odds are your going to be escorted out by security. Maybe with a Black eye.
We call it Horde Con. And that's not a compliment or friendly nickname.
To those who keep saying that Racials aren't a big deal. Look at the rankings for the Top 100 PVP'ers. The most re-occuring Race in that List is Orc. Why?
First Orc Racial. Blood Fury It buffs their Attack power for a while. Okay.
Hardiness Orcs aren't as affected by Stuns as other players. That's a significant PVP benefit. Also unlike say Everyman for Himself it doesn't share a CD with a PVP trinket.
Command Orc player's pets do more damage. Hunters, Warlocks, ETC any Class that uses a pet. They benefit from this.
All of these Racials are consistently useful in PVP.
Blood Elves pop up fairly often. Let's see here.
Arcane Acuity It boosts your critical hits. Do I really have to go into detail to explain how harder hitting Critical hits is a boon to PVP?
Arcane Torrent Steal a Buff and restore resources. Do I really have to explain this one too?
Undead? Let's see what they got.
Will of the Forsaken Yeah it's basically Everyman for Himself without a CD.
Cannibalize a racial heal. Sure Gimmicky but yes it's an option in PVP.
Touch of the Grave They can steal HP from an enemy.
Two Racial heals and a strong get out of CC ability.
Tauren next.
Brawn Bonus to Critical hit Damage. Again do I really need to explain this?
Endurance More HP then other races.
War Stomp An AOE stun.
Not going to factor in Pandas since we both have them. So let's skip to Trolls.
Berserking Increases attack and casting speed. Again do I really need to explain how beneficial to PVP that is?
Da Voodoo Shuffle CC's don't impair them as much.
Regeneration self explanatory.
As a Faction your looking at an average of 3 to 4 good PVP racials.
Blood Elves have the fewest of the Horde but they are two pretty good ones. Gnomes have one very poor PVP racial.
If your going to argue that the difference of the Racials isn't a biased benefit to PVP you clearly haven't done a serious comparison.
thanks blizz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKS0Jq9U_E
i dont need vengeance. i just think malfurion looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKS0Jq9U_E
i dont need vengeance. i just think malfurion looks great.
11/03/2018 09:49 PMPosted by MythreusLol...
Get a grip folks. It was a joke.
And i primarily play alliance too.
Btw love the "I'll never buy vticket again or play a bg" threat...yeah that's showing them! You're still playing their game genius. They dont get paid differently if you play only certain content over other content.
Its like having a blow out with a restaurant owner over a bad breakfast order so you vow to only have lunch and dinner there now...
I see. Blizzard only make money from their subs. All the other activities of that company are free and don't create jobs at all. And i'm the genius here right?
How will AI bots in battlegrounds fix the imbalance of warmode?
It literally makes no sense.
It literally makes no sense.
Beta for Azerite: Phoning It In
11/03/2018 09:49 PMPosted by MythreusLol...
Get a grip folks. It was a joke.
And i primarily play alliance too.
Btw love the "I'll never buy vticket again or play a bg" threat...yeah that's showing them! You're still playing their game genius. They dont get paid differently if you play only certain content over other content.
Its like having a blow out with a restaurant owner over a bad breakfast order so you vow to only have lunch and dinner there now...
No its like going to restaurant. Having your food undercooked, excessively delayed, incomplete in portion size, and being ignored by the waiters because of the side of the room you are seated on.
Then you try to rationalize it while looking at visibly superior food orders being served to people sitting on the other side of isle by saying "I have had really good meals here before. Must just be a bad day in the kitchen".
While you are thinking that; the manager comes up with a sneer and snide tone tells you "Your Welcome" as he flops your bill on the table in the middle your plates of food.
Thats what its like. Its not really a joke or funny. Its just harassment, and a jab at Alliance players/customers for something we didn't create but are being berated for.
But hey... I myself am so overcome with blizzards graciousness that my just card fell off of my account and I'm too euphoric to add it back again.
Hello! Alliance main here!
Turns out you're all humans sitting at a keyboard. No one here is more special or unique than any other for the decisions they make in a video game. Try to have fun with it and not take things too seriously.
For example, with the full awareness that wrestling is entirely fake and scripted, it's still possible to enjoy it for the spectacle and fiction it provides for the people that're interested in it. What isn't helpful to their own enjoyment of it is deluding themselves that it is real and being disappointed or angry when some of the cracks or seems of its nature as a produced work show. WoW's faction divide is much the same fiction - it's fun to pretend we are members of different races with different values and motivations, but to pretend that this is an actual divide that exists is detrimental to one's own perceptions of reality. If a person finds themselves legitimately posting on topics of perceived biases, prejudices, etc. remember: it's not real. It's simply a produced experience to aid the immersive elements in playing a video game, the same way you expend "mana" in Hearthstone and not "card points".
Turns out you're all humans sitting at a keyboard. No one here is more special or unique than any other for the decisions they make in a video game. Try to have fun with it and not take things too seriously.
For example, with the full awareness that wrestling is entirely fake and scripted, it's still possible to enjoy it for the spectacle and fiction it provides for the people that're interested in it. What isn't helpful to their own enjoyment of it is deluding themselves that it is real and being disappointed or angry when some of the cracks or seems of its nature as a produced work show. WoW's faction divide is much the same fiction - it's fun to pretend we are members of different races with different values and motivations, but to pretend that this is an actual divide that exists is detrimental to one's own perceptions of reality. If a person finds themselves legitimately posting on topics of perceived biases, prejudices, etc. remember: it's not real. It's simply a produced experience to aid the immersive elements in playing a video game, the same way you expend "mana" in Hearthstone and not "card points".
I don't like being meme'd to death. It adds fuel to the community reputation that Alliance is full of bad players. Which is just not true but an impossible reputation to shake.
I don't know how the community holds these two beliefs in tandem: Alliance is bad at pvp and Alliance owns PvP because of the broken human racial.
Alliance races had a strong showing at the Arena Championship this blizzcon.
Also, Horde are the ones with the wait times and need mercenary mode to cut down on those waits. Maybe it is they who would benefit most from an AI opponent because there are not enough Alliance players to fight in a casual battleground.
I wouldn't mid the ribbing as much if it went both ways. But it doesn't. After ten years, it starts feeling ... ostracizing.
I don't know how the community holds these two beliefs in tandem: Alliance is bad at pvp and Alliance owns PvP because of the broken human racial.
Alliance races had a strong showing at the Arena Championship this blizzcon.
Also, Horde are the ones with the wait times and need mercenary mode to cut down on those waits. Maybe it is they who would benefit most from an AI opponent because there are not enough Alliance players to fight in a casual battleground.
I wouldn't mid the ribbing as much if it went both ways. But it doesn't. After ten years, it starts feeling ... ostracizing.
11/03/2018 10:47 PMPosted by GulrumHow will AI bots in battlegrounds fix the imbalance of warmode?
It literally makes no sense.
AI Bots will fix the long ques BGs have for the Horde side literally. It also shows literally that Blizzard is not interested in faction balance. Horde should be thankfull not the Alliance.
It's literally that. ;)
11/03/2018 09:35 PMPosted by Deådra11/03/2018 08:36 PMPosted by Krothare...
Either post on your level 120 Horde main or shut the hell up
LOL, you mean my level 120 Alliance rogue, or my level 120 night elf warrior? Okay. One second
Interesting you say this here and then proceed to post on your 120 after yet
11/03/2018 08:26 PMPosted by DeådraIon plays Alliance, I mean you realize that right? And yes, why would Horde be jealous of Alliance? As mostly a Horde player I'm used to getting crapped on. We are more laid back, and can actually... TAKE JOKES!
Wow , what a concept. You had to actually make a new thread when you posted this in a different thread about someone else being Alliance butthurt about something else.
LEARN TO TAKE A JOKE.
Here you state you're a horde main?
Wanna keep spewing garbage or are you done for the night yet?
11/03/2018 11:08 PMPosted by AvaHello! Alliance main here!
Turns out you're all humans sitting at a keyboard. No one here is more special or unique than any other for the decisions they make in a video game. Try to have fun with it and not take things too seriously.
For example, with the full awareness that wrestling is entirely fake and scripted, it's still possible to enjoy it for the spectacle and fiction it provides for the people that're interested in it. What isn't helpful to their own enjoyment of it is deluding themselves that it is real and being disappointed or angry when some of the cracks or seems of its nature as a produced work show. WoW's faction divide is much the same fiction - it's fun to pretend we are members of different races with different values and motivations, but to pretend that this is an actual divide that exists is detrimental to one's own perceptions of reality. If a person finds themselves legitimately posting on topics of perceived biases, prejudices, etc. remember: it's not real. It's simply a produced experience to aid the immersive elements in playing a video game, the same way you expend "mana" in Hearthstone and not "card points".
So I'd agree with you more if WoW didn't have that social aspect. Our community is based on the "myths" of wow. The devs have a lot of control over these myths.
So when I'm in a battleground and we are losing - the "myth" that "Alliance is bad at pvp" informs some of the players decisions. These players start trolling the chat and start harassing other players.
Sadly this is real human interaction and it isn't a lot of fun. Maybe if the "myth" "alliance is bad at pvp" wasn't perpetuated as often by the devs, we might see some improvement in community.
Blizzard is also using a immersion technique called tribalism - and while tribalism can be fun - it can also be very aggressive and it is easy for IRL humans to take it too far.
11/03/2018 11:11 PMPosted by Halodin11/03/2018 10:47 PMPosted by GulrumHow will AI bots in battlegrounds fix the imbalance of warmode?
It literally makes no sense.
AI Bots will fix the long ques BGs have for the Horde side literally. It also shows literally that Blizzard is not interested in faction balance. Horde should be thankfull not the Alliance.
It's literally that. ;)
lol
You are so right, how did I not see it before?
11/03/2018 11:11 PMPosted by Halodin11/03/2018 10:47 PMPosted by GulrumHow will AI bots in battlegrounds fix the imbalance of warmode?
It literally makes no sense.
AI Bots will fix the long ques BGs have for the Horde side literally. It also shows literally that Blizzard is not interested in faction balance. Horde should be thankfull not the Alliance.
It's literally that. ;)
I can't wait to see how they spin it to try to say that it will be good for Alliance to have AI bots. Horde will play a warsong gulch against AI's that don't know how to pick up a flag and Alliance will actually have to fight against real players.
(i can't find the full details of the ai bot announcement, but regardless I can't seem to think of any logical reason that an ai bot would fix imbalance.)
11/03/2018 11:21 PMPosted by ÝvaineSo when I'm in a battleground and we are losing - the "myth" that "Alliance is bad at pvp" informs some of the players decisions. These players start trolling the chat and start harassing other players.
Battleground data shows that Horde wins more often though... so that isn't a myth. The queue time disparity shows this - Horde waits about 4 times as long for matches because that's where they're more likely to win. Back in the days of TBC when Alterac Valley had some serious balance issues, Horde assumed it was a forgone conclusion that they'd lose and the sentiment prevailed among their players, with many often just turtling a specific point for honor while the Alliance got objectives. This meant the Horde has instant queues while the Alliance wait time for an AV was 30-45 minutes... everyone was lining up on the winning side.
It's not necessarily that Blizzard has enforced or encouraged this trend for recent WoW, but just the nature of human's tendency to self-organize into systems. If I'm a player who wants to take PvP seriously, I go and find data that suggests my chances are better on one side - so more and more serious players coalesce on that side of the data trend, while the more casual player who thinks "eh... lets give this feature a try" just does it agnostic of which side he's on. This means the less favored side has a higher likelihood of being composed of players who have invested less effort into the systems, trends, and nuances of it. That aspect has been snowballing for years meaning the Alliance side as a whole is more likely to be composed of players who are engaging this aspect of the game on a more casual basis. Not a myth.
11/03/2018 11:21 PMPosted by ÝvaineSadly this is real human interaction and it isn't a lot of fun. Maybe if the "myth" "alliance is bad at pvp" wasn't perpetuated as often by the devs, we might see some improvement in community.
Blizzard is also using a immersion technique called tribalism - and while tribalism can be fun - it can also be very aggressive and it is easy for IRL humans to take it too far.
I don't really see Blizzard as perpetuating it as much as they're simply responding to an already agreed upon awareness of the climate. When a group all internally agrees they suffer from an issue, they shouldn't take offense to someone outside the group acknowledging their own self-diagnosis. If Alliance is saying "Alliance sucks at PvP", I think it's more harmful a response for Blizzard to either a) completely ignore their concerns, or b) say "No they don't. We see zero issues and you're all just delusional". They're acknowledging an issue that's existed for years, one that they can't really control unless they take away the agency of letting you play where you want to play... whether you take offense to that is your own problem.
That said, while Blizzard is using tribalism here in a way, it's agreed upon that this is fantasy tribalism. We have to accept that if we can't control our own emotional responses in light of the "fantasy" (otherwise known as "fake"), then the issue lies with us, not the people creating the platform we engage on. If someone genuinely feels real negative emotions in response to fake divisions, they're suffering from the same delusions as other mediums where the user cannot accept that their narratives they've bought into are fake and scripted.
To be fair, "You're welcome Alliance" was a joke.
The Alliance rallying cry being "Not in the face!" was also a joke.
The Paladin's Punctured Voodoo Doll back in vanilla WoW having the description "This doll resembles a Paladin or an adolescent girl" was also a joke. Keep in mind back at the time Paladins were Alliance only.
Ion's comment "The Horde is waiting for you," said to a group of people who, based on what they're asking for, would have to be fairly staunch Alliance fans, was probably supposed to elicit a chuckle while making a point on his position. Ignoring whether one agrees with the sentiment or not, it was said during an expansion where their whole ad campaign is focused on the idea that Faction Matters.
So I ask, in honest curiosity, what are the equivalent friendly jabs at the Horde? I would be interested to hear about them because they never seem to get brought up so far as I can tell. The only one suggested I've seen in this thread was a comment about the game of musical Warchiefs the Horde has going on, but that isn't really equivalent. That comment is, if anything, a shot at themselves for constantly replacing the Horde leader, whereas the Alliance examples are shots at the players. If there are none, shouldn't Horde players be upset that Blizzard doesn't care to joke around with them and jab at them too?
The Alliance rallying cry being "Not in the face!" was also a joke.
The Paladin's Punctured Voodoo Doll back in vanilla WoW having the description "This doll resembles a Paladin or an adolescent girl" was also a joke. Keep in mind back at the time Paladins were Alliance only.
Ion's comment "The Horde is waiting for you," said to a group of people who, based on what they're asking for, would have to be fairly staunch Alliance fans, was probably supposed to elicit a chuckle while making a point on his position. Ignoring whether one agrees with the sentiment or not, it was said during an expansion where their whole ad campaign is focused on the idea that Faction Matters.
So I ask, in honest curiosity, what are the equivalent friendly jabs at the Horde? I would be interested to hear about them because they never seem to get brought up so far as I can tell. The only one suggested I've seen in this thread was a comment about the game of musical Warchiefs the Horde has going on, but that isn't really equivalent. That comment is, if anything, a shot at themselves for constantly replacing the Horde leader, whereas the Alliance examples are shots at the players. If there are none, shouldn't Horde players be upset that Blizzard doesn't care to joke around with them and jab at them too?
11/04/2018 12:16 AMPosted by UhehtarTo be fair, "You're welcome Alliance" was a joke.
The Alliance rallying cry being "Not in the face!" was also a joke.
The Paladin's Punctured Voodoo Doll back in vanilla WoW having the description "This doll resembles a Paladin or an adolescent girl" was also a joke. Keep in mind back at the time Paladins were Alliance only.
Ion's comment "The Horde is waiting for you," said to a group of people who, based on what they're asking for, would have to be fairly staunch Alliance fans, was probably supposed to elicit a chuckle while making a point on his position. Ignoring whether one agrees with the sentiment or not, it was said during an expansion where their whole ad campaign is focused on the idea that Faction Matters.
So I ask, in honest curiosity, what are the equivalent friendly jabs at the Horde? I would be interested to hear about them because they never seem to get brought up so far as I can tell. The only one suggested I've seen in this thread was a comment about the game of musical Warchiefs the Horde has going on, but that isn't really equivalent. That comment is, if anything, a shot at themselves for constantly replacing the Horde leader, whereas the Alliance examples are shots at the players. If there are none, shouldn't Horde players be upset that Blizzard doesn't care to joke around with them and jab at them too?
But they're not friendly jabs.
Poking fun at someone in a position of power is a friendly jab. Poking fun at someone who's not is just cruelty.
Everyone already knows the Alliance is the struggling underdog faction with racials that aren't up to par and a community that's hemorrhaging almost daily as guilds who want to progress further need warm bodies to recruit and the only place to find them are on Horde-side. Blizzard consistently adds fuel to this fire by brazenly insulting half their playerbase themselves. You yourself gave a few examples of it. They, as developers, perpetuate the hatred.
Hypothetically:
When you make fun of some rich fatcat who has everything and doesn't have to work, teasing that he's probably inept at whatever mundane task because he just pays someone to do it for him... we can all chuckle because hey, that guy's already in a good position. He's well off financially, has everything sorted for him, and our teasing won't hurt him at all.
Finding the homeless guy in your town and kicking him, telling him he's a loser for smelling bad cause y'know, he's homeless? That's just... mean. You don't get to say "It's just a joke, grow a thicker skin." because his feelings hurt and you don't want to feel guilty about mocking the guy.
Now yes, these are hyperbolic examples but that's effectively what Blizzard has done and pretty consistently encourages. They go out of their way to insult the Alliance, and more specifically, Alliance players. That has a trickle down knock on effect where Horde players learn that it's acceptable to also be jerks to Alliance players because hey, Blizz has their back on it. And when we Alliance players call people out on it, Horde players defend it. And you know damn well if the shoe were on the other foot things would be a lot different. But because you're the insulter and not the insultee it's cool.
But it's not. How healthy is the game if they need to make PvP a PvE sport by giving NPCs for Horde players to play against. Even if we ignore things like racials (because small bonuses are insignificant, whatever) that still means there's such a massive disparity in faction size that one side can't realistically access a portion of the game. So what does Blizzard do? Attempt to actually fix the problem?
No, they blame the players and insult us. How the !@#$ is that acceptable, at all, for a company to insult their paying customers?
Years of being the butt of all jokes year in and year out wears on people. Somehow that surprises and confuses people.
11/04/2018 01:23 AMPosted by HnetuNo, they blame the players and insult us. How the !@#$ is that acceptable, at all, for a company to insult their paying customers?
Agreed. Also important to mention they indirectly made the Horde even more angry at the Alliance, as cross-realm mythic is locked behind Alliance progression now - Horde players seem to think it's because Alliance players aren't as good and not that all of our top players and guilds already faction changed.
11/04/2018 01:27 AMPosted by Espur11/04/2018 01:23 AMPosted by HnetuNo, they blame the players and insult us. How the !@#$ is that acceptable, at all, for a company to insult their paying customers?
Agreed. Also important to mention they indirectly made the Horde even more angry at the Alliance, as cross-realm mythic is locked behind Alliance progression now - Horde players seem to think it's because Alliance players aren't as good and not that all of our top players and guilds already faction changed.
Considering they go out of their way to make little snide comments every single year to stoke the fires, it's not surprising at all.
From clearly investigative guests like Corpsegrinder and that epic !@#$show of a video to the "Not in the face" to straight up replacing us with NPCs? It's like a parent who wants their kids to fight so they have an excuse to punish one. They get the older brother all riled up and violent, then say the younger has done something and now neither get dessert. So older punches younger... And parent blames younger for it. "Well, maybe if you hadn't misbehaved in the first place." Now younger kid has no dessert, and got punched in the face.
And yet... people will wonder why the younger kid has a chip on their shoulder...