The WoW token is the middle man. You can spend money to achieve things in game. It’s pay 2 win. “ItS NoT PaY 2 WiN bY StRicT DeFinItiOn” is denial. Stop being in denial.
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thanks for thread #745 about this topic
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i technically agree with your post, though i think the execution leaves something to be desired
why is everybody so angry all the time 
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If you can use your credit card to purchase in-game power then it is a P2W.
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I find it interesting that now we are getting “WOW IS P2W” topics
Its like people are using one controversy to highlight a non-topic issue at hand here.
Like this should be given more attention then an employee committing suicide.
I’m sure everyone is well aware of that by now.
P2w what? You can’t win an mmo. If its pvp you are worried about you must not be very good if some scrub with a credit card can beat you.
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P2W games are always paywalled to the point where it’s whoever has the biggest credit card wins and if you refuse to pay you get stomped because skill isn’t wllowed to overcome a credit card.
But in WoW no such paywall exists. It’s true that a P2W component exists in WoW to the point where you can exchange money for progress (be it power or otherwise) but that’s it. More importantly from my research the P2W whales NEED to be able to stomp people to feel validated in their purchasing. If they are dropping literally thousands of dollars a month into a game for less than meaningful progress they are not going to play that game. WoW’s game model doesn’t really support the symbiotic nature whales require from the fodder compared to other P2W models where there is such a paywall and the power creep is far more astronomical for it.
Is it good for the game? IMO not really. Is it truly P2W? Eh, you can definitely do it if you want to, but I don’t know why whales would waste their time in WoW when there are far better P2W games out there for them to dominate it.
The P2W aspect people have problems with seem largely theoretical. I assume lots of people are dumping cash into carries for mounts or titles or other random purchases but I don’t see it as a major problem in the game insofar as to say that people are capable of being better because they are swiping their card.
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I don’t think it’s pay to win in a bad sense. Even if you’re being carried you still have to do the content and hope RNG actually gives you something. It’s not a guarantee.
Whether you’re in a normal group or being carried in one you paid for it still amounts to the same thing either way. Everyone has equal opportunity to be on par with each other.
Pay to win implies you’re actually paying money to get a box of high level progression loot mailed to you. Which is not the case with WoW.
Pay to win is having to pay for energy, gear, the ability to play for more than 10 minutes, etc.
WoW does not have that feature. Yes, there are groups that will run you through dungeons/raids for money, but that’s not P2W. In fact, those runs aren’t even supposed to happen. The true wall in WoW is your abilities: your ability to find a good group, and your ability to play your class correctly.
There’s a big fat difference between P2W and being carried, even if you can’t see it.
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i’m not in denial i’m in my office and i’m typing on a computer
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Hm what an original idea, you wouldn’t happen to have watched MadSeasons latest video?
It is a light form of P2W, gold allows you to buy BoE gear and arena rating which allow you to upgrade your gear higher than people who are below that rating giving you an advantage over them.
Of course some of them can outplay you but most of them won’t.
I don’t deny the fact that there are plenty of threads on this topic you could pf posted that opinion in 
But spam away I guess lol.
I’ll bet buying tokens to buy boosts happens a lot less frequently than people think.
There are a lot of ridiculously rich people in WoW, and making gold to buy boosts isn’t that difficult. Mythic raid carries are also expensive enough that you would hit the weekly token cap before you can even afford one.
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Almost like everyone pays to play or something.
Or I could get gold the traditional way by farming vendor crap, selling legendaries, covenant callings, crafting mats and still buy exactly the same things another person did via tokens.
Only difference is time (some people can farm/make six figures per week with multiple characters).
the forums are just hot garbage lately
hotter than normal hot garbage, that is. because just like people have been buying carries for gold since 2004, the forums have been hot garbage since 2004.
the past few days tho… hoooo boy.
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It has pay to win aspects. Who support these?
- Whales who consider spending money to get stuff as their favorite form of progress.
- People who get free gametime and even real life income from carry sales.
- Blizzard, whose main profit center is now token sales.
I am going to preface my post by saying I hate the WoW token and think its justification is a lazy excuse for controlling bots and gold sellers.
That said, is WoW pay to win? I guess it depends on how you look it at. Certainly there’s enough quantifiable evidence of raiders chasing world firsts buying BoEs to be competitive. But other than this minority of player does this really effect anyone?
If there was a definitive measure of WoW being P2W then it would most certainly be people who play for arena carries. As this is the only true measurable aspect that actually gives you an advantage over other players.