Your game is dying

Similar to your OP, it’s easy to knock down arguments when you reword and misrepresent them!

The point is that the reasons for adding them are identical, and similarly lack many reasons not to add them according to the same camp.

So the idea is to point out the subjectivity of it all. You want dual spec because of a subjective quality of life desire, not because the game actually needs it. I.E. you’re lazy because as you said yourself: respeccing is easy and everybody does it all the time.

We have other arguments if that one is too mind-imploding for you, but usually they’re just dismissed or reduced to #nochanges even when they aren’t *shrug. Don’t complain about lack of diverse argumentation when you ignore all the arguments other than the ones you actually have an (poor) answer for.

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OG tbc did not have it and sub numbers only went UP
and once dual spec was added they went down to never rise again…
yeah Dual spec KILLED wow

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Here’s a template you guys can use for future posts, to make everything easier:

"Game is dying because [X thing] that I want isnt in the game and I want it to be".

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OG Wrath had it and sub numbers also went up. Higher than TBC, by the way. :wink:

This is a lie. You are either misinformed or deliberately spreading misiniformation.

"Game is dying because free potions/flasks/food/elixirs/scrolls isnt in the game and I want it to be"

this is easy!

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Who is asking for any of that?

But you’re just a forum doomsayer who hates the game anyway. Nothing will ever make you happy.

Yeah, why can’t everyone play the game the exact same way I play it with no options to play any other way. It’s fun for me so it should be fun for everyone to do it the same way I do it.

Does not mean it is dying just because alot of it is raid loggers lol.

It’s not thriving though. That’s my point there.

Stable, maybe, at best.

I mean if you don’t want to keep respeccing, build a spec that works for you so you don’t have to.

Perhaps that’s a fun way for some people to play. I have no problem with people who make that choice. But for some of us it’s not possible to do that and still have fun with all parts of the game. For some the choice is to only play one part of the game and log out the rest of the time. Imo that’s not good for the game as a whole.

Maybe folks just need to take an honest step back and realize, what they really want is WotLK; dual spec, faction transfers, LFD, etc.

You thought you wanted old school inconveniences that equated to flavor, when viewed through rose tinted glasses; but you didn’t, not really.

What I want is TBC Classic.

With #SomeChanges.

“You think you do, but you dont” - J Allen B

This game is dying so hard it took me 5 minutes to find a group after being in a group. Then it died harder and I ran SM on my paladin alt, it continued to die even harder when I got into a Ramparts run on my shaman. Then some guildies logged in for the evening and the server was so dead that we ran heroics. After that we queued up for a battleground on our dead server and got a game in a couple of minutes. This game is so dead we have a full raid signed up with spares for gruuls and mag this weekend. It’s so dead my karazahn group logs on a half hour early for the raid and we are the third kara group in my guild because the game is dead and there are no players because they cant be bothered to play on a dead server in a dead game with dead players in a dead genre that is bleeding subs because the forums think the game is dead because they are mad at the devs.

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ME TOO!

I want dual spec, LFD, LFR. Let’s make it happen!

Let’s just stick with Dual Spec since it has a lot of support. Everything else we gotta wait and see what the player-base wants.

I would personally get on board a push for barbershops, for instance.

What is it you think you can’t do?

Game has been dying since 2004

We asked for classic tbc and we got what we asked for, duel spec will come in time, but in the mean time we can all enjoy this “dead game”

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Game has become very organized and guilds have too… everyone uses discord to assemble teams and runs discussing raids and such… then in game we execute and log.