Except for the fact that after 5 runs in 1 hour you get locked out.
If you start at 1pm and run 5 times you won’t be able to start your 6th dungeon run until 2pm. This was a thing before the current instance lock changes.
Take some time to think about it.
Man you’ve been hammering this for days. Get over it. You know that he’s talking about real world time and you’re talking about /played time. You cannot complete 11 runs or more of gnomer in two hours, so from 12:00-2:00 pm you can run 10 times. That’s what he means and you’re being obtuse. If you want to log in, do your 5 three minute runs, log out, and come back later, your /played time might be about 2 hours for 40 runs, but it still look you all day long to do that
I’m not being obtuse. Real-life time is absolutely irrelevant to gameplay, only /played is relevant. This is a discussion over gameplay, not a discussion over where I take my afternoon walks. Whatever I choose to do with my time outside of the game also takes me “all day long” to do even when WoW isn’t there. How is that relevant?
If you start at 1pm and run 5 times you won’t be able to start your 6th dungeon run until 2pm.
You’re not playing from 1 to 2 pm in this case. You’re playing something like 1 to 1:15 or 1:20 if you’re slow. Why does it matter to you what happens between 1:15 and 2?
What are you even talking about? It’s 5 runs/1 real time hour. You can bang out all 5 runs in 10 minutes if you want to but you still have another 50 minutes of real time to wait before you can continue. THIS is what matters for Druid MCP farming, how long in real time it takes to do it at a rate of 5 attempts/hour.
You can only get a maximum of 10 attempts/2 hours. My point. Fact.
You’re being daft.
haha this thread is golden… alliance gets it but horde doesnt…
Okay, you seem to missing something, so let me break it down.
It’s 5 runs/1 real time hour.
Good, we agree on this.
You can bang out all 5 runs in 10 minutes if you want
Good that you observed this. This is the part where you’re playing the game, so it’s what matters.
but you still have another 50 minutes of real time to wait
Define “wait.” I’m not sitting in game waiting, if that’s what you mean. And if you think that I’m back immediately after that hour is up, then you’re wrong. Real life is a thing.
THIS is what matters for Druid MCP farming,
Who are you to tell me what matters about my gameplay? I’m plainly telling you that it doesn’t. I can come back at 2:10 if I want, or 2:09, or 2:30 even. I still get well over 30 runs in. Why do you care what I do with my time?
how long in real time it takes to do it at a rate of 5 attempts/hour.
No one has complained about this. I’m totally fine with the 5 resets per hour, since it lets me squeeze in my farms in chunks of quarter hours. I’m totally happy with it.
You can only get a maximum of 10 attempts/2 hours.
And?
You’re being daft.
I don’t see how making accusations like this is supposed to convince me in this debate. I find it does nothing to change the perceptions of the facts that either of us holds. Stop it.
You seem to be missing the fact that I’m a druid player as well.
You’re intentionally misconstruing my point.
You seem to be missing the fact that I’m a druid player as well.
I seem to recall that you’re a shaman player, but even if you were a druid player, I fail to see how it would be relevant that something which inconveniences me doesn’t inconvenience you. Why would I care what doesn’t inconvenience you?
You’re intentionally misconstruing my point.
I’m not, and I could say the same about you. But I haven’t said that. Focus on the clarity of the argument. Gametime matters. Time spent outside of the game is not game time.
This is the most daft point I’ve seen you make all day.
You are. It is not possible to do more than 10 runs in 2 hours.
Jump on twitch. Stream a straight 2 hours of Gnomer runs. I’ll count them. Guaranteed they won’t add up to more than 10.
This is the most daft point I’ve seen you make all day.
How so?
You are. It is not possible to do more than 10 runs in 2 hours.
It is possible to do that in time played, which is what the discussion is around. Real time is a separate issue, as I have clearly outlines.
Jump on twitch.
Why would I ever do that?
Stream a straight 2 hours of Gnomer runs. I’ll count them.
Yikes. Where does this need to police how other people play stem from, exactly? I do find this tendency disturbing, and I worry that it’s somewhat common in those players who are used to being told by Blizzard where and when to quest in the form of things like dailies, where and when to dungeon in the form of heroic lockouts, etc.
I will not “jump on twitch”, I find that the quality of people attracted to streaming to be less than savory, and I have no desire to be told how to play.
Saying “if you were a druid player” to a druid player. Seems daft to me.
Not in the comment I replied to. Why would /played matter at all? The real world time - the amount of runs you are limited by in the real world - is far more impactful than /played which is a meaningless metric by which, in its typical usage, to measure who has played the game longer.
You’re misconstruing my point, that it’s not possible to do more than 10 runs in 2 hours. I am saying “prove it”.
Saying “if you were a druid player” to a druid player. Seems daft to me.
Note the salient and discriminable difference between “even if” and “if”.
Why would /played matter at all? The real world time - the amount of runs you are limited by in the real world - is far more impactful than /played.
But it’s not. It is time /played that is more ‘impactful’ to the player. Me going to buy apple juice, for example, is something I’d do even if the game didn’t exist. Me playing the game is not something I could do if the game didn’t exist. Clearly the impact of the game on my time is related to the time I spend * in the game* and not outside of it.
You’re misconstruing my point, that it’s not possible to do more than 10 runs in 2 hours.
See my above post. You misread it.
Note the fact that you decided to contradict my pronouncement of the fact that I am a druid player by, instead, asserting that I am, in fact, a shaman player instead offering only an “even if you were”, instead, which is another way of saying that someone isn’t.
Based on the context given by the previous dismissal of my own admittance to being a druid player, your statement “even if you were” can be interpreted as “even if you were, which you’re not”.
How so? The amount of real world time burned to accomplish something - ie. obtaining 8 MCPs in 2 hours of playing the game - is far more impactful than /played which, again, is nothing more than a metric used to determine how long a player has been logged in to the game.
The post I responded to made no mention of /played as a metric. I misread nothing.
If you’re in a decent guild you raid 1 day a week.
Let’s say you raid 2 days for arguments sake.
That’s 150 gnomer runs a week.
Say youre really unlucky and you only get 35 of the 150 runs that means you still have enough to use 2 MCPs for every boss almost.
Bwl and MC have 18 total bosses.
150 runs a week isn’t enough?
The forum wants me to think you’re responding to me.
I have no issue with the change.
My only point, from entering this thread, has been that it’s not possible to do more than 10 runs in 2 hours. Full stop.
I’d advise you to let it go. He’s just arguing in circles and has been for days. In the venn diagram of druids who want 20+ mcp per week to raid and can only farm one day per week, the overlap is essentially just him. Sucks to be him. The rest of us can move on.
Why would you not be able to do it in 2 hours? In 2 hours you can only do 10 instances…
Think before you talk
I think that’s the best advice I’ve seen. Thank you for being the voice of reason I clearly needed.
Based on the context given by the previous dismissal of my own admittance to being a druid player, your statement “even if you were” can be interpreted as “even if you were, which you’re not”.
That’s not the implicature made by “even if you were.” The implicature carried here is that your status is irrelevant to the discussion.
How so? The amount of real world time burned to accomplish something - ie. obtaining 8 MCPs in 2 hours of playing the game
Okay, stop here. Assuming you get 2 per lockout, that’s 30 minutes of playing the game, not 2 hours.
is far more impactful than /played
The two are identical. /played is playing the game.
which, again, is nothing more than a metric used to determine how long a player has been logged in to the game.
Good, we agree.
The post I responded to made no mention of /played as a metric.
Oh really? It would really be a shame if I talked anywhere in that post about time in the game then. You know, if I said something like:
It is possible to do that in time played , which is what the discussion is around. Real time is a separate issue, as I have clearly outlines.
Or, as I said previously:
Focus on the clarity of the argument. Gametime matters. Time spent outside of the game is not game time .
Or:
This is the part where you’re playing the game, so it’s what matters.
Again, I recommend that you reread these quotes and then return to our discussion.
I’d advise you to let it go. He’s just arguing in circles and has been for days. In the venn diagram of druids who want 20+ mcp per week to raid and can only farm one day per week, the overlap is essentially just him. Sucks to be him. The rest of us can move on.
I do advise you to move on. Let the adults talk.