Doesn’t Blizzard’s rhetoric around Dungeon Finder and Dual Specialization sound familiar? This isn’t the first time that a developer has thought that they knew better what was best for the players than the players themselves.
Over the last few days, I’ve seen dozens of people calling for Blizzard to put out a poll on their announced changes for the Dungeon Finder and Dual Specialization. Why don’t they just ask the players, after all? It’s because they already know what the poll will say. They already know that the poll will show that the vast majority of players want the Dungeon Finder and Dual Specialization in WotLK Classic just as they were in the original release. It’s not that they don’t know what the players want, it’s that they think they know better than the players.
Borrowed power. Needlessly restricted covenant switching. Oversimplified talent choices. Restricted flying. Limited-time mage tower. Removing tier sets. The list goes on. All decisions Blizzard made despite clear consensus from the community. All decisions they have since relented and reversed. We shouldn’t have to go through this song and dance for the WotLK Classic release.
Stop trying to make a “better” version of WotLK. WotLK was awesome exactly the way it was. Take a step back. Take your ego out of the decision. Many developers before you have made this same mistake and they always come across just as tone-deaf and condescending. Don’t tell us you know better than we do what’s best for us. Stop gatekeeping the best expansion this game ever had. This is the easiest job in the world: just re-release it the way it was. There are no decisions that need making, no tinkering that needs doing.
I think there is some other reason besides trying to do what they think the player base wants, despite them saying so. Maybe there is some technical issue that would make it hard to include, or even more cynically maybe they really do want to encourage people to use more paid services. Who knows? It does seem like it’d be simple to just survey players.
That is what I’ve Been trying to portray, some people don’t believe blizzard would do such a thing however blizzard has done this in the past and it’s hard to catch. It’s actually quite genius. They use the term “player feedback” a lot to make changes without guilt. However they haven’t done any surveys, no forum posts, and no interviews about the matter whatsoever. The most recent example of this behavior was the som survey. What I believe they will do is implement a soft group matching system but will never implement original wotlk LFD. Because that LFD makes it extremely easy to leave alts.
Boosting and gold buying for it is not a concern as the char boost is going to be quite popular especially for wrath
From the announcement site FAQs:
“This boost will not be usable on Classic Era characters; in addition, players will be limited to boosting only one character per World of Warcraft account.”
Now it could be a copy/paste error from lifting from TBCC but they posted it.
Yes, it is one per account! The popular fad for modern wow players is to pay for multiple accounts, so they can level their alts while simultaneously doing other activities on another account such as their main. You can’t play alts when they’re all on the same account.
Therefore, the bang for the buck comes from 1 player paying multi subscriptions, buying multi boosts (which is why boosts are 1 per account). They are not worried AT ALL about people saying they will unsub, because they can be making quite a lot of money off of even just a single player who stays and plays 3-4 accounts
Keep in mind people like to play both factions, and on a pvp server the only way this is achievable is by owning multiple accounts
Wth are you all on about. There are threads upon threads here and on reddit, by boomer classic players that keep saying how wotlk sux cuz its the first expansion that is started to look like retail wow. Namely tiered raid progression, LFG, and Heirlooms.
Classic andies hate these features. I started playing in Wotlk, and to me that was when i had the most fun. Cuz i was young and careless and the experience hit different. Comoared to retail, all classic expansions are snooze fests of spamming 1 button.
They have a long-term plan. What players want is not a consideration, but sometimes what is on their list happens to be something that players want.
They don’t do research into what paying customers are willing to pay for. They think their customer base (who they consider “consumers”) doesn’t know what they want and wouldn’t know if they were having fun unless someone else told them. Unlike most responsible businesses, that do research before spending hundreds of millions of dollars of investors’ money over a doomed project that everybody told them was problematic, they know better. They answer to a higher calling.
This change is intended to align wrath classic with the retail gearing system that makes everyone work much longer/harder for less gear. And they can claim they’re doing it because “the community” asked for it, when it was really just a couple of guys in the office having a discussion at the employee espresso bar.
man so many of you people pretending like they haven’t considered the community because their decision doesn’t agree with the people currently spamming the forums/yourselves. A whole lot of you clearly haven’t been a part of the ‘classic’ community until either just before actual classic dropped, or sometime during it.
The community that was always demanding classic to be made was one who didn’t like the quality of life things that they all felt helped ruin WoW as retail developed. LFG (particularly it being cross server) has been one of the BIGGEST things this community has been against for the past DECADE. These are the people Blizzard was listening to when they started making classic. So lets not pretend there has been no basis for this decision.
Further, Brian B. said on countdown to classic that this decision was actually made before classic came out, when a bunch of them were discussing the “what ifs”. And back then, it was determined to be 100% absolutely not, because it goes against what the community at that time wanted/the philosophy of making classic to begin with. He also said that, as they got closer, and as more people discussed the matter, they realized that its actually more split… so much so that this decision is currently the most “indefinite” decision, given that even members of the design team want it. As such, its not 100% locked in. So they are also hearing all of you too.
So quit crying about them “not listening” and instead just focus you effort on explaining why you want LFD instead.
It’s especially true for dual spec restrictions. There is literally no argument whatsoever for restricting dual spec except for “You should play the game I tell you to play it”
This is seems to be perpetuating the us v them divisiveness. People can love Classic but love different elements of it. It doesn’t matter how they came to the game or when.
I personally would be unaffected if RFD doesn’t make it into release. But I’m not selfish enough to discount the concerns of players that feel this feature was helpful to them. I can choose not to use it if I like.
If people believe that cross realm play is detrimental then why expect players for example on low pop realms or those that did pay to transfer but have gaming time outside of server primetime to just deal with not being able to get things done in game? These players may have guilds and use all the current contact methods for group formation and are still unsucessful. I want everyone that wants to play to be able to do so. RDF allows for another way to form a group and work together.
If Blizzard is listening then they would observe that people are giving reasons why the dungeon finding tool shouldn’t be stripped from Wrath Classic. One thread is not the entire discussion.
The comment is directed at the people saying no one wanted LFD removed. There are genuinely people who think this decision is completely unbased, which is indicative of when they became a part of this community. Those who are for LFD but have been around since the start aren’t sitting here pretending no one ever wanted LFD removed… unless they are being disingenuous.
The comment is in no way splitting people apart for wanting or not wanting LFD.
Edit: My post also isn’t in any way taking a side on the matter or anything like that either.
Yeah, it’s been amazing to watch how things that the original classic community, the ones that actually pushed enough to get classic to happen, absolutely despised and considered the downfall of WoW change into things the classic community now thinks are great features the game.
Its like watching a train wreck, going back in time, and watching it all over again.
Blizz devs are from the culture that everyone has to agree with them or else they are wrong. These aren’t the devs that made the original content everyone enjoyed. These are parasites trying to enforce their own vision of what people want because they are reiterating an already successful game. This is probably the only control they get in their lives and they are all about enforcing it.
People are just going to leave though and the game will be completely supported by whales and gold sellers. Maybe they see that as their best business model? They certainly don’t care what the community thinks.
The Classic community has grown and the voices of all in the community should be heard and if there is disagreement then discussion takes place as it is now. We should be working together to find common ground no matter when you joined the community or your stance on features.
