Well? What do we have to say now?
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I thought I did, and I definitely did.
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I like it, but let’s not judge while it’s still shiny and new. Check back in 6 months. Hopefully still healthy!
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I didn’t know if I did, and I’m still not sure if I do.
But I’m glad it exists for you guys.
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I do, for now. None of the QOL changes really mattered to me. Hated flying too.
I did and knew I did because it fits my play style.
No rush to 60 to enjoy the game and I will causally level 2-3 toons to 60 at the same time while using resting xp.
Dont have to push raids and can just pop in and out of a group when I want.
Will be a thriving 19,29, and 39 community at some point so I can be causal and pvp.
There is no classic versus retail. They are two different games for two different wants.
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I’m enjoying this dramatically more than I had been expecting too.
I had thought I was starting to lose my interest in games. Apparently modern gaming really is just that bad.
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I’d like to note that I’m way more proud of my lvl 20 rogue than i am of any of my retail characters. Even the 2k set I have on my priest, the pathtic 1800 “elite” sets on my paladin, or raiding mythic in Legion on my original rogue who I madw back in 2006. I never got to play vanilla, i didn’t have a PC capable of running games until TBC came out. Really hyped to do the poison quest chain again.
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I didn’t think I would but I did
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Same same, I did and I still do
I think it’s too early for anyone to be gloating. This is very early in the launch and who knows how sustainable it is long term. I think there are many different play styles that like many different things and there are those that will always love Classic, those who will come and play for a while, those just visiting and that as time progresses where it lands to be determined. It could be no different than the Diablo hiatus that happens every season and it could be far more sustaining but I don’t and never have thought it was one or another. It will take a lot more time than less than a week to see where everyone truly lands.
With that being said, I think there are a lot of things that should be looked at and can be learned from the excitement that has come to the community. It’s a wonderful thing to see. I think we need to look at what the draw is, for many and hopefully use that to improve both.
I think the saddest part however, is there is such a split, if you like and prefer retail or if you like and prefer classic and the infighting that it has brought. What’s wrong with appreciating both for the value that they bring to segments of the community. I think posts like this tend to feed that split vs. looking at the good that both bring.
I hope there is a realization that both have a player base. That there are things from Retail that are a culmination of 15 years of experience and whether you like this particular expac or not that there are good things there. Just like there are a lot of good things in Classic.
Rather than worrying about snide comments like “you think you did but you don’t” or which game is better “classic or retail” why can’t we appreciate that each is similar yet different and respect that one might like retail better or classic better and both are right.
End of day, for me, I hope that the developers have those internal discussions and see what the appeal is. I know that I wish leveling in retail wasn’t quite as easy, that professions had a use. It is fun to have to actually use my professions to level my character in Classic. I wish there was more depth to talent trees, I miss weapon skills and the development and end game at 120 I miss learning a new talent.
I think though that as a community we would get a lot farther with some mutual respect of the likes of other players. I don’t have to play the game just like you to enjoy it.
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This! This is what retail is missing, I feel the same way, I feel way more accomplished on my classic level 19 pally with his garage sale gear then any of my shiny, decked out BFA toons
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I think it’s all gonna calm down. Howlers on both sides will get bored once the queues are gone and people can just play.
I still think it’s amazing the anger and spite drummed up toward Blizzard just two or three days after launch - like this game can only be played for a week and they’ve been cheated out of half of it.
I’m loving it, personally. Mal is slowly leveling tailoring and mining, and of course, leveling through the levels. I don’t expect to hit 20 for another week or two, and I’m being really careful to limit my time - it has the potential to grab you and pull you in again. Just like it did to me in 2005.
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The snide people are mostly just the forums man. The forums are typical a small sample size with an above averaged sub section of toxic players.
How ever in my experience, the snide posts are typically retail players touting the “it’s too soon to tell” “you’ll all come crawling back to retail” “it’s a culmination of some many improvements” rhetoric that’s present even in your well thought out post. I can’t help but disagree completely.
That being said, let me explain why. All you need to do is look into the sustained population and player counts on the now defunct [redacted] servers. Even more recent, less successful ones had average player counts upwards of 15k well after the release of Naxx.
Another thing to note is part of what makes Classic great isn’t present at all in retail. It’s not a bum rush to level cap to “enjoy” the game, so much of what makes classic enjoyable is present from the very moment you start questing. The world is dangerous, it encourages player interactions in a way that only exists in the highest end of content in retail. Outside of Mythic raiding and high rated pvp, there’s little to no reason to say more than a couple words to a fellow player. This all stems from a culmination of changes that were made with the best of intentions that unintentionally hurt the MMORPG genre as a whole, not just WoW. The only thing I can confidently say improved over time is the art and even that has stagnated in Retail. You just need to look at homogenized armor sets and lack of class specific tier sets to see just how streamlined and frankly lazy BFA is.
This is coming from someone who wanted more than anything for retail to be good. I wanted to enjoy BFA like i enjoyed Legion but even between those two recent expansions they made so many poor decisions that hurt it. It’s sad honestly. I’ve played every single expansions on day 1 except from TBC, which was my first WoW experience. WoD is the only time i took a substantial break and BFA is the first time i ever completely unsubscribed.
What made me fall in love with WoW is gone from retail, it’s completely different, mostly for the worst. I think this community divide you noticed is because Classic has thing retail players can enjoy. The same can’t be said for Classic players, retail is just too far gone.
Me too. I played extensively in the BfA beta - and by the time the actual game came out, I was tired of it. I got to Boralus on two or three characters, got my main to 111, and that was it.
I saw the demo of Classic at Blizzcon and I never was able to log into (for more than a few minutes) BfA again.
My sub has never lapsed in just over 14 years now, but it was close.
I think if you add for you then I can buy off on that sentence. See I am in a unique position of getting to see a lot of different game play choices within one community.
I have Death Jesters who was created in January, 2005 that has focused on progression raiding for every tier of the expansion and is still going strong in 2019, with a roster of members, from creation to present, many who haven’t logged on in years but still keep in touch.
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Zeroes to Heroes our community guild who celebrated their 4th anniversary with 7 raids teams (1 Mythic CE, 4 Mythic casual, 2 Heroic teams) filled with raiders, pet battlers, mount collectors, Achievement and transmog collectors and our two alt guilds, with 500+ active/unique members
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Our newest addition Death Jesters on Pagle which as of yesterday had 500+ members and I expect will fill up before the end of next week, with everything from retired members who haven’t played for 10+ years to those who are newer to the game and seeing Classic for the first time.
I don’t want any of them to fail. I want them all to succeed, and within that sampling I can see several different loves from progression raiding to classic to everything in between. The excitement for Classic and watching the guild/discord chat and seeing them work together is awesome, but make no mistake I see the same love in all the different game choices. There are also things that people don’t care for. Some will never step foot in Classic or never come back to retail, but there is things to be learned from all.
It’s not one or the other, it’s what works for you and that’s what’s missing from most of the discussions I see here. I thought about adding my two cents about what I love from Classic and would love to see in Retail or lessons learned, but honestly figure it will just end up turning into a “no my way is better” than the fact that we can all learn from both and from each other.
There were things that sucked in Classic, just like there are things that suck in retail… but one day maybe we will realize that we are all a Warcraft family and act as such instead of one or another having to be right.
I did not think I would, but I really really do.
Can we give him a break now?
He was wrong and we have Classic WoW now, can’t we just move on and be happy with the game?
WHat we said when that idiot said it: don’t talk arrogant, condescending garbage to the people who pay your fat salary.
Absolutely not. J. Allen Brack deserves every ounce of flack/backlash for giving that statement. He will NEVER live it down. That was the most asinine answer that any Blizzard employee has given someone at a live Q and A, and Karma has now caught up with him for it