The game is better when everything to connected to everything. Not when its just 2 or 3 different self sustaining eco systems.
If you want to Raid at (early) CE level the game SHOULD ask you to push keys beyond +15 and pvp at 2100+
If you want to go for Rank 1 pvp or even Glad, the game SHOULD ask you to push +15s and mythic raid at CE level
If you want to push keys beyond +20 then the game SHOULD ask you to pvp at 2100+ and Mythic raid at CE level.
Obviously pvp rewards have sucked in comparision to raid rewards in BFA. but making pvp gear only good in pvp is not the answer.
PvP gear should be just good. not good in pvp only. and Some gear from pvp SHOULD be BIS in raid and m+
This is supposed to be World of Warcraft.
Not World of Arena craft
Not World of Keys
Not World of raid loggers
World of Warcraft.
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It’s too early for popcorn.
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A good game should not force players into activities they don’t enjoy.
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They force us to do worls quests and visions and in shadowlands MAW grind and weekly torghast grind.
So whats wrong with asking players to do extra if they wanan be best in their chosen game mode?
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Real hardcore players pet battle 
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Game already takes way too much time to get anywhere with the endless difficilties, and you want to make it even more time intensive?
Great idea!
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There should be multiple paths to success not just the one as is the case with raiding.
We’re going backwards in enjoyment now.
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my post didn’t say anything bout raiding being the only good source of gear.
Then why was M+ keys hamstringed?
what are u even saying. re read my post.
And if I enjoyed all of those end-games, then yes; or MORE IMPORTANTLY… if I could play (or would want to play) 12+ hours a day… then yes.
Your assertion is so flawed, it’s not even worth discussing.
And if the game asks that of me, I then SHOULD be allowed to tell it to naff off and go play something else instead.
Ah, elitists. No longer just shouty YouTube crazies, now actually thinking they mean something.
Also, it’s NOT SUNDAY YET. Cheers.
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If you’re going for early CE or Rank 1 pvp or pushing keys past +20s… You are already playing wow a lot.
Right you would be playing a unhealthy amount honestly but what does this have to do with anything? Why should I have to raid if I enjoy pvp? Why should I pvp if I only enjoy raiding or m+?
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As long as there are alternatives to BiS items that aren’t far behind, I don’t mind if they come from other game modes. Hardcore players will put in the time and casual players are at a level where it doesn’t matter.
Making it required though? Lol no.
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Man we are all trying to let everyone know that the game isn’t run by a whole load of elitist jerks then we have to put up with threads like this
OP is as bad as world quests Andy’s who think they should get mythic gear for existing
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ROFL who cares about this??? Besides the 43 other people convincing themselves that it matters somehow… getting CE “early” doesn’t matter at all. If CE is some goal you deem relevant, WHEN you get it doesn’t matter.
All the rest of your points just highlight and strengthen my argument: you can do ANY of those things individually and it doesn’t take THAT much time. They are all, individually, considered “end game.”
For some reason, you want to push the idea that you’re not REALLY doing “end game” … unless you do ALL of them.
You can go pound sand with that idea. This is a video game. No one cares. It’s a great hobby. But it’s not worth doing 8+ hours a day. Learn to play an instrument.
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Unfortunately, I don’t have time to do very much in WoW anymore 
I used to be able to play for 5 hours or more in a single week, but now, I don’t have time to enjoy all of these things, so I only do what I enjoy most. I would appreciate it if the gearing routes stood on their own.
But never too early for 
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