You know what sucks about Hero Talents? They're here forever. That's your class now

There is no more frost mage, you’re now either a frostfire mage or a spell splinterer

There is no more destro lock. You’re either a wither stacker or a demon spammer.

And so on for all classes and all specs. Hero talents are an “evergreen feature” so the unfortunate reality of these enforced hasty add-ons that change how your spec feels and plays is that they will be around forever. They will never go away. That’s just your spec now, starting with 11.0 and continuing for the rest of the game’s life.

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Nothing in this game is evergreen except our cosmetics. They will take these out as soon as it becomes too much for them to manage or they want to try something new.

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OP kind of has a point, albeit in a weird way.

Though if you don’t think this is true. You might want to glance back at WoW history.

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Frost Mages are still there. Just now you get to pick if you want your Frost Mage to use fire as well as frost, or if you want them to shoot lots and lots of ice shards at the guy.

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Ok but that’s basically what Frost was for a while anyways lol.

I don’t think Hero talents will be that “big picture” system.
You’ll be an Affliction Warlock with the alternative Corruption build (Hell Caller)
Or you’ll be a BM Hunter that summons Undead Hounds.

Not, you’re not a Dark Ranger, opposed to a BM Hunter.

with that said, I do hate that one of my two thematic options for BM is dark. I want Nature and Animals.

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Hero talents should have been things that create new ways to play or alter your play with your spec instead it is a lazy integration of visuals/passive skills that will do little to anything at all for game play. Another wasted opportunity.

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I’d love to know if they’ve given this any thought for how to deal with it in Midnight.

Do we get some of the points in the other tree we don’t pick?
Bigger trees? More trees?

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The talents have been overhauled like 5 times over the years. Nothing about them is forever. I’d wager they last until the end of this world soul saga, then another overhaul.

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I could see them going away or being simply absorbed into base specializations later because of the nature of what they are.

Like imagine if in 12.0 they absorbed the parts of hero talents people liked into the base tree and then created new ones.

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Personally, I’m fine with that. To me, WoW always had the most boring implementation of a wizard class out of any game despite them being generally awesome in the lore. Being restricted to a single element of evocation is rather underwhelming, so I’m glad I will be able to mix with another element, reminiscent,
in a way, to what you could do in Classic.

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There is no “Paladin” anymore.
You are now either Prot., Holy or Ret.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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Honestly I don’t care. I just want class skins to match what we choose. I’d hoped that would be the case and it was very disappointing to learn it wasn’t.

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Hasty?

Uhh… no?

These aren’t being rushed out at the last minute.

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You sure? 10char

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Tbf, you’re not wrong… This is however, sadly common for Blizzard to do. I mean my spec, combat, got traded up for outlaw for pete sakes because “pIrAtEs”. Taking out a good chunk of what made Combat pretty great with it’s bandit’s guise and posions and all, and replacing it with just spam CP builders and spam it on S&D/Eviscerate ripoff, and Literally Roll the Dice until you get lucky. Also your Blade Flurry is just a temp buff instead of permanent.

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They might actually expand the number of hero talent trees unlike full specs

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It’s just more talents that feel to be based on class concepts instead of pure specs.

Would you say “Arcane is no more” because they can use Ice Block and Frost Nova?

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Yeah, 100% sure.

We learned they were coming to the game at Blizzcon. We’ve learned since then through reveals what all the hero spec names and most of the talents are (a few specs have not been revealed yet). We have War Within Alpha testing starting soon, Beta soon after.

Hero talents are going through the same process as any other expansion feature.

If you think that’s ‘rushed’ then I have a bridge to sell you.

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To be honest, something I really enjoyed about WoD was that a fire mage had the option to not use any ice spells and wouldn’t be gimepd for it. Ice block could be replaced with evanescence and blast wave replaced frost nova. I’m sure there’ll be class reskins happening at some point that fix that though. Along with red fire for warlocks. Someday…

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Players have wanted sub classes for years.

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