So basically if you don’t have a premade group of people to push M+ and depends on pugs you just have to accept that every single spec (being a good or a bad player) from the “god tier pumping meta classes check my new tierlist emergency changes 11.2 you must see it!!!” will take your place every single group? Is that it? You just accept it?
So if 2 or 3 famous guys said for farming views every two days “HAVOC AND FROST ARE PUMPING YOU MUST SEE IT, FREE IO, HUGE DMG, EVERY OTHER MELEE IS SH* WINDWALKER IS Z TIER EVEN DOING 0,1% LESS DAMAGE THAN HAVOC” no matter how good you play and no matter your overrall, you will just watch the groups dps place being fueled with these supposed meta guys and people won’t give you a chance if you’re a windwalker, a warrior, a survival? That doesn’t makes sense.
From my personal experience there isn’t a single run since season release I was passed in DPS overall by any havoc or frost (i know that doesn’t means I’m good cause I can be skipping mechanics to do more dmg, wich I don’t, but we’re talking about community impression) and still i’m sitting here waiting for an invite for an hour and every single time I see wich dps got my place, it’s a frost, a havoc…
This is completely ridiculous. Tier lists and min-max are something absolutely irrelevant if compared to playing well, do proper dmg an do mechanics to time a key, I UNDERSTAND that when people do this they’re trying to go for an easier path, but this has gone too far. I have 2 11’s timed, all other 10’s and 2 on 9’s, so i’m trying to get an invite for these two +10 that are missing. FOR. ALMOST. ONE. HOUR. and being replaced by the “OMG CHECK THIS CLASS FREE IO” specs almost every single time. So i just accept that community impression matters more than playing well? So your only chance to have high IO and not being in a fix group is EXCLUSIVELY playing a spec with good community impression PLUS spamming runs since day 1?
I was playing with havoc, windwalker, enhanc, and survival in season 2, and for fun aspect I decided to go for windwalker season 3 and I’m doing the same dmg as the other specs on almost every run. Why do I (or anyone) deserve to be punished for that?
The chance of having worse players changing to these recent popular supposed meta specs cause the guy is bad and decided to change to it to get more invites/trying to have an easy time is MUCH MORE STATISTICALLY HIGHER than good guys that kept playing the spec (it’s obvious there are pumpers and cool people with every single spec, that’s not the matter here), isnt that obvious for everyone? Really? You really think that a good guy that plays any other non-supposed-god-tier spec and HE KNOWS HE BLASTS WITH IT will reroll to a havoc or frost to get more chances to getting into groups? This is literally betraying yourself. I can’t believe a normal person that isn’t a professional player will do that and be good/trust in his potential at the same time.
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This will happen whenever there is challenging content.
It’s just people not understanding how specs work and that tier lists are not as helpful as one would think.
Every spec is absolutely fine for 99% of m+.
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I just don’t speak Blizzbro.
People put WAY too much stock into tier lists.
Id rather take the best player of a bad class than a middling player of a good class.
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Lol. You’re being “punished” because you decided to join queue as dps along with 500 other people.
But, I do agree, players hump tier lists way too much.
Are you saying every group you apply for that doesn’t take you ultimately forms into a meta comp? Does anyone believe that’s true?
The ratio of DPS to tanks right now is insane and tanks do not want to pug low keys. You’re getting declined because there are so many other applicants for the same position.
I know that and I do know it will be hard to get an invite for being dps anyways. But we’re talking about statistics. If you timed two +11, four +10, and have proper ilv, it’s statistically absurd that you must sit for more than one hour to get an invite for the other two +10. I play M+ for years. I’ve never seen something like that.
People take the meta waaaaay too seriously.
No you don’t need “the meta” for you +5 
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Yep. Unless it’s the highest of grades of play - as in world first race level groups - there’s no need to minmax to this extreme.
But see, most people don’t know what they’re doing in this game, not really. And society teaches everyone to not think for themselves anyway. So they take whatever icyveins, or wowhead, or streams X, Y, or Z says as gospel, and follow the instructions to a T, believing it is “the best” way, and that this somehow makes them very smart for doing so.
But the difference is minimal for 99% of players, yet people have this weird fixation on labeling things as good or bad.
Same thing happened in Overwatch. People wouldn’t play the D tier heroes even in very low ranks because “the pros say they’re not good!” And it was like … bro, they are very good down here. lol
So it’s partially that.
And as a disclaimer, yes, I very much include myself in the “no one really knows what they’re doing” crowd. Obviously. XD But I also just don’t care. Kill Command go burr = all I need to know for delves. 
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OP do you know you’re not getting chosen because other players are choosing meta, or are you assuming?
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I remain aware of tier lists, community perception, and my own abilities, which is why I try to only run dungeons with people I know and never venture into group finder alone.
I will speculate though that above all, when it comes to applying to most groups, the factor that determines whether or not a given applicant is picked is ilvl. You only see yourself applying to a group, not the other applicants. And for DPS in particular, that’s oftentimes a lot of applicants.
You can just watch wich spec got your place on the group and most of times is the S tier specs from tier lists (two or three specs). But not 100% of times, obviously, you’re right on that.
I’d say 7 to 8 times from every 10 refuses. No joking on that.
I know it must seem that way, but logically there can’t be that many meta spec players out there to take every slot in a group. Every group that’s forming in LFG isn’t forming into a meta comp, that’s just not happening.
If it’s any consolation, people will always find really dumb reasons to pick certain people over others. No one can change that. If it wasn’t this, it’d be some other issue.
Was in a guild back in the day before personal loot / bonus rolls, and the raid leader wouldn’t take any PUGs that would be gear competition for her or her friends. lol
Humans will always be human-ing. XD
You’re right on that, I’m not saying that’s happening, but you must remember that if you’re a melee dps, for example, you’re competing for one place or at maximum 2 places on the group. If there’s one ranged that got invited, and if you will compete for the other 2 spots and there’s a meta class on queue like the ones I said, you’ll won’t get the invite. I KNOW THAT PART IS OBVIOUS CAUSE PEOPLE WANT THEIR KEY TO BE COMPLETED AS EASY AS POSSIBLE, but the prob is that this is being a nightmare as I’ve never seen.
yet we have the same exact complaint every single season
It’s particularly bad right at this moment because of the DPS/tank ratio in LFG. Everyone and their mother is looking for a tank right now. Still, you have to imagine most people are prioritizing ilvl and io first and foremost.
In my experience over the last 6 years of puging M+ as feral or windwalker, neither of which was tier list material…
It’s very merticratic.
Anyone can get in if they put in the effort to get the experience, and gear.
But if you refuse to put in any effort to demonstrate that you have the gear or experience and just sit around and complain about how unfair it is, you probably wont get far.
As much as people like to complain about how unfair it is, we all start seasons and expansions tabula rasa. No one falls out of the sky with the IO or the iLvL that gets them accepted to keys. They had to work for it.
And when someone sits around complaining about how they never get accepted, it’s because there are people that have worked for it, and they haven’t.
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I dislike the tier lists as well, but tier lists almost always mean clicks/views. I hate that creator’s feel the need to feed the algorithm so we are hit with tier list after tier list.
I got KSM in day 1. I’m 698 ilv 2500 io right now. Im’ exclusively trying to go for the 11’s and 10’s that are missing, not even trying to queue for 12’s. When I’m taken in a group and watch the group finder, 99% os guys queueing are lower than that in ilv and in rating. But you’re right on that for most of times.