You gotta open faction change with these 30min queues

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Because your idea was stupid, only helped Horde, and would have done nothing to solve the problem. It was a direct result of the bad behaviour of thousands of Horde on badly balanced servers- and the people that would benefit from them would be the worst of the worst.

Alliance will and still are supporting good ideas to fix the problem- meanwhile, Horde are turtling AV to try to force their own queues longer just because they think it pisses Alliance off.

As long as Horde are that devoted to continuing to be trashy- you deserve the long queues, and you don’t deserve Blizz saving you from yourselves.

Wanna convince us your faction wants good solutions to save the game? Start acting like it.

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I see you’re back to your walls of text, that I’m personally not bothering to read after reading the first sentence “only helped Horde”.

Once again, as I’ve told you before Zakiri, you need to remove yourself from the simplistic perspective of tribalism of hoarding your beliefs into a single faction / side, and understand the good that can come from the introduction of controlled single-sided faction changes.

Since you stick to a simplistic point of view, I can’t see you understanding the benefits of Faction Changes, but perhaps you’ll come to this understanding and realization once the Alliance communities start dying and it starts becoming harder and harder to find people to quest with whilst leveling, or finding a guild that has a spot for you to join their raiding core etc.

Nobody is going to re-roll and lose months of progression, most of us have to hold down full time jobs and would rather not waste annual leave on attempting to progress 1-60 again and then on top of that re-obtaining the gear you’ve spent months earning.

You’re unfortunately just incapable of having a reasonable conversation on this matter.

Edit: I lied, I read this part and lol’d at how naive you really are.

This isn’t true mate, and highlights your attitude on the matter. The reason why Horde are turtling is because it’s the only way Horde can guarantee all objectives for maximum honor / reputation for those still on the grind and whilst doing so almost guarantees a victory.

When you have 40 players that have just sat in a queue for longer than 50 minutes, compared to players that didn’t have to wait at all - you’ll find the commitment and overall contribution to be far greater than those whom didn’t have to wait, as what’s worse than waiting 50 minutes and then losing?

Also, Alliance are able to make premades due to no queues whilst Horde cannot. When there’s an Alliance premade, you can guarantee they’re going to rush Drek straight away and end the game in 7-10 minutes - so after 50 minutes of waiting the idea of turtling a quick 7-10 minute loss seems to be more logical to me as a turtled game has thus far proven to be quite successful for Horde.

Better, smarter, strategies mate.

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Just re-roll – They will never open faction change.

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No offense fellow alliance lady but, that is a very silly idea.
They are fighting AV, which gets called turtling, because it took them 30 minutes to get there.
They dont want to just make a 6 minute sprint punch one guy and then go back to queue for another 30 minutes.

And for what is worth, the 6 minute sprint is not really the kind of thing AV was designed to be, that’s why it has multiple bosses and all these objectives and such.

The AV dash is the meta that people have created, which personally i think sucks, i congratulate anyone, horde or alliance, who ditches that fad and forces AV to be a long fight.

If it makes you personally angry, that’s an issue you are going to have to work through, but it is not why they are doing it.

Imagine if i went to the Indy 500, and everyone decided to just start sprinting across the grass to avoid 3/4 of the race

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don’t like it ?
it’s called rerolling

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This 100%.

However, this quote below represents the overall attitude of Tribalism / simplistic perspectives, when people have no interest in resolving an overall problem in spite of some form of “revenge” - clearly offering no solutions to the matter but continuing to respond to threads asking for action.

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No changes. Go to retail. Get good. Stop crying. pvp ques happend on a pvp server. Sounds familiar? oh and quit or whatever the horde kept regurgitating during p2. I want to feel bad but i really don’t. Blame whoever you want for that.

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The quote was pvp happened on a pvp server. These q times are region wide and affecting pve servers too. They are not server specific.

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“Grrrr I hate obvious changes that would do nothing but help everyone”

Like why bother posting the same dumb thing over and over. Nochanges was a lie and you’re a moron if you still unconditionally support it.

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Yes i know. Hard not to know it. If you posted in the forms at all during p2 it’s all horde said. I changed it on purpose to fit the situation. Funny when the shoe is on the other foot.

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But it doesnt fit because even those who chose their ‘correct’ server type are being affected by these massive q times.

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Not alliance. That’s a horde problem. Like how p2 was an alliance problem. It fits. pve servers are suffering now too i know. Still a horde problem.

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So what I am reading… they want to reap the benefits of P1 and P2 by having the numbers and smashing. THEN reap the benefits of ali’s in p3 since we have instant ques…

Re-roll. Fight the horde while they world pvp in their 30 min ques as you level. We did it. Now you should have to do it too. No to faction changes. HARD NO

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P2 didnt have an issue on a pve server… and this isnt a p2.5 problem - this is the rest of the l;ifespan of classic problem

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It’s okay, you don’t understand. You’re still missing the point.

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He says, then proceeds to post something 5x longer.

Says the guy that wants Blizz to offer a service solely to his faction, to help solely players that want to rank easily without the effort of leveling an Alliance character.

See- tribalism confirmed.

No, Horde can shove it- you aren’t getting an ez mode ranking path- you get to sit in your queues.

You mean phase two? Yeah, that’s exactly why we don’t want your kind. The communities that need more players are already dead, and these servers already had free xfers (ie- Skeram/Stalagg to HS), and Horde didn’t take them because they wanted it easy.

Horde that switch now won’t be doing so to boost wpvp numbers, run dungeons or level up and fix the economy- they’d be doing so to get easy ranking and likely xfer back once they get r14.

See, you don’t even know what you’re talking about. How are level 60s xfering from Horde to Alliance purely to sit in AV/WSG going to help with anything- but most of all, how are they going to have any impact on levelling?

You know what WOULD have an impact on leveling on damaged servers? If Horde rerolled.

No I am- you’re just completely and transparently uncaring to anything but getting your fast Horde queues and easy ranking, so you’re not even thinking about the ‘benefits’ before you start posting more trash.

If you had a legit suggestion that’d help fix the Alliance community I’d be all for it- but you don’t, and you very clearly don’t gaf about anything but yourself. So again- you deserve your queues, I hope they get longer, and stop with your selfish ‘solutions’ that nobody wants but other Horde.

There’s a reason only Horde support you- because Alliance can see through your BS.

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:yawning_face:

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This ‘suggestion’ besides being completely silly has two large flaws based on things that Blizzard has never allowed :

  1. mass faction change of all characters on a server
  2. class change to deal with the Paladin / Shaman issue.

Oh and Classic specific :
Only one faction on PvP servers, therefore if you change less than all your characters on that server it breaks that rule.

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Do horde have Druids? Cause i never see any.
Shammans yes, but druids i do not see, so assumed they dont have them in classic?

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Nah.

p2 killed off a lot of alliance resulting in high queue times.

Horde insist on turtles in AV resulting in high queue times.

tbh-I really don’t want the sort of player horde seems to attract being able to faction change.

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